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Originally Posted by Racer Duck

LSC, I'm loosing faith in you .. I can't believe a true NASCAR fan would turn down a chance to go purchase a tool!!! Especially a useful one! And when you can make a good case for how it makes tire rotatoion so much easier on you as you get older...it's a slam dunk!!!

I'll lay the guilt trip on the wife for Christmas. We each have a car and then the kids have two each so ... you're right. It is a must have item. You win.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I'll lay the guilt trip on the wife for Christmas. We each have a car and then the kids have two each so ... you're right. It is a must have item. You win.

we all stumble now and then .. it's up to your friends to pick you up, dust you off and point you in the right direction again...no problem.

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Originally Posted by Racer Duck

we all stumble now and then .. it's up to your friends to pick you up, dust you off and point you in the right direction again...no problem.

The place I retired from could have used one of those but the man at the top just wasn't convinced of its value. We had over 75 +/- vehicles to deal with.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

The place I retired from could have used one of those but the man at the top just wasn't convinced of its value. We had over 75 +/- vehicles to deal with.

time is money. nuff said.

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Originally Posted by Racer Duck

time is money. nuff said.

If I still cared (and I don't) I'd pass the message on to him !!!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Ellison

Hello everyone,

I'm new to NASCAR, just watched my first race this past weekend with the Coca Cola 600, and just had a few questions as I try to take this all in.

1) who are your favorite drivers and how'd that come to be? ( i don't have one just yet and would be interested to hear how some of you became fans of yours.)

I'm an "old" fan (both literally and figurative) and consider myself a race fan, and not a driver fan. I have no favourite driver. I am basically for any driver who drives for a one- or two-car team. I also deplore any win by a Rick hendrick team, for person reasons.

Originally Posted by Ellison

2) why the hatred toward Jeff Gordon? I noticed alot of cheering when they towed his car away and have read some things on sports websites (Talladega incident).

IMNSVHO, two main reasons:
(a) Jeffy did not come from a rural, stock car background, but rather was literally raised to be a race driver (provide his parents with a very comfortable retirement?). This, with his youth and reasonably rapid success in Cup drew many "fans" to think he was an "outsider," and "hadn't paid his dues. Jeff publicly shed tears at his first win and when he won his first Championship. This, coupled with the way the media reported his displeasure whenever he felt his car wasn't performing to his satisfaction, caused many to consider him a chronic "whiner." To my knowledge Jeffy-Pooh has never whined any more, or less, than any other NASCAR driver of some renown.
(b) Jeffy is the poster child for the "New NASCAR." He came on the scene at a time when NASCAR was undergoing massive change, with both its rules, its advertising and its drivers. He is seen as a usurper of Dale Earnhardt Senior's lofty position in NASCAR history. (Funny thing here. When Sr. was alive his ardent followers and his detractors about evened out, 50/50. Now that he's gone you're hard pressed to find anyone who claims to have disliked Sr. Now it appears that he was almost universally adored? Oh well, almost every 60's generation flower child claims to have been at Woodstock and a surprising number of 60's and 70's military vets claim in-country Viet Nam experience? ...I digress)

Many of the most vocal detractors of Jeffy are card-carrying members of the "Red Army." Dale Jr. fans. Again, IMNSVHO they just need to get the Hell over it!

Originally Posted by Ellison

3) are fantasy racing leagues big like with fantasy football? i'd be interested in joining or creating one and would like to find out how they are currently setup and the rules, etc.

I haven't a clue. I wouldn't know a football fantasy league if it bit me on the butt.

Originally Posted by Ellison

i appreciate any responses, as i know "new guy" questions can be annoying. (i just want to learn and find out as much as i can.)

thank you

Keep in mind we were ALL new at one time. I was "new" back in 1958. I asked a lot of questions (we didn't have computer message boards then, we asked in smoke signals) and read a LOT of magazines.

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Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

When Sr. was alive his ardent followers and his detractors about evened out, 50/50. Now that he's gone you're hard pressed to find anyone who claims to have disliked Sr. Now it appears that he was almost universally adored?

OK Bob mark this down somewhere for future reference. I did not like his driving style at all. Back then, and before, I was not a DRIVER fan but a racing fan. He was one of the drivers I didn't care for at all because of the way he drove. The crash & pass game was alive and well even back then. I can appreciate his drive to make NASCAR bigger but that is another subject.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

OK Bob mark this down somewhere for future reference. I did not like his driving style at all. Back then, and before, I was not a DRIVER fan but a racing fan. He was one of the drivers I didn't care for at all because of the way he drove. The crash & pass game was alive and well even back then. I can appreciate his drive to make NASCAR bigger but that is another subject.

As I stated, Steve, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who admitted to being an Earnhardt disiliker (ALERT!!! Useage of a non word). Hard pressed, but far from impossible.

For the record, I was ambivolent about Dale. I did respect the Hell out of leadership in the driver ranks, his habit of publically telling NASCAR when he thought that they were in the wrong, and for his honesty, as exemplified by this quote: "I may not have the car to pass a guy, but if I can get to his bumper I can get by him."

I find it ironic that in so many cases, hindsight causes a great amount of people to be involved in events, or have beliefs, which, at the time, were considered questionable or historic. In fact, it was less than a year ago I was discussing our Presidents with a man who said he was 36 years old and remembered exactly where he was, and what he was doing when they announced the assasination of JFK?

"I'm Captain Bob of the History PD and YOU'RE BUSTED!!!"

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Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

As I stated, Steve, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who admitted to being an Earnhardt disiliker (ALERT!!! Useage of a non word). Hard pressed, but far from impossible.

I find it ironic that in so many cases, hindsight causes a great amount of people to be involved in events, or have beliefs, which, at the time, were considered questionable or historic. In fact, it was less than a year ago I was discussing our Presidents with a man who said he was 36 years old and remembered exactly where he was, and what he was doing when they announced the assasination of JFK?

"I'm Captain Bob of the History PD and YOU'RE BUSTED!!!"

OK Bob .. I am a couple years younger that you but I REALLY, REALLY was in a study hall at that time. It was a Sunday morning sometime prior to noon (pretty sure) that Oswald was popped. I saw it live as he was being transfered.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

OK Bob .. I am a couple years younger that you but I REALLY, REALLY was in a study hall at that time. It was a Sunday morning sometime prior to noon (pretty sure) that Oswald was popped. I saw it live as he was being transfered.

I now forget the day of the week but I was a "screamin' seaman" typing up flight skeds in Air Ops at NAS Glenview (my very first tour of duty in Uncle's Canoe Club). The Dept. Head didn't allow us to have a radio in the office spaces but I had a little 6 Xsister I kept in the center drawer of my desk, tuned down REAL, REAL low.

They came on WLS (Chgo's #1 R&R station in 1963) with the announcement just as the "O's" were leaving for lunch at the "O Club.". The CDR was still in and jumped up and told him what I heard. He asked first, "Are you sure?" Then, "Where the Hell did you hear that?", then "Give me the radio." We then spent the next 2-3 hours huddled around my little 6 Xster listening to the news.

I never did get chewed out for having the unauthorized radio.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Ellison

Hello everyone,

I'm new to NASCAR, just watched my first race this past weekend with the Coca Cola 600, and just had a few questions as I try to take this all in.

1) who are your favorite drivers and how'd that come to be? ( i don't have one just yet and would be interested to hear how some of you became fans of yours.)

2) why the hatred toward Jeff Gordon? I noticed alot of cheering when they towed his car away and have read some things on sports websites (Talladega incident).

3) are fantasy racing leagues big like with fantasy football? i'd be interested in joining or creating one and would like to find out how they are currently setup and the rules, etc.

i appreciate any responses, as i know "new guy" questions can be annoying. (i just want to learn and find out as much as i can.)

thank you

1. I came to be a Gordon fan when I first saw him race. His talent and abilities is by far amazing.

2. Isn't this question popular. People hate Jeff Gordon because he came in the sport and had success early. Some fans said he didn't work his way up, which is entirely not true, some say he hasn't paid his dues, which isn't true either. Some say Gordon is a "whiner". Now yes, Jeff did complain about his car when it wasn't performing well, but that's not being a whiner, that's giving feedback to the team; make the cars better. It's a variety of things, but Gordon earned his haters in the Earnhardt/Gordon rivalry. Sr fans didn't accept Jeff once he started to win 7-13 races a year, and totally dominating. As you will learn, some fans don't like drivers/teams dominating. Why has Jimmie Johnson earned haters all of the sudden? As they say, "as long as they are making noise, you are doing something right."

3. I can't give you any real info on fantasy leagues, as I've never participated in one. But from what I've heard, they are fun.

I'm surprised you didn't ask why there are so many Jr fans. Boy would that have created a debate in this thread.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

In fact, it was less than a year ago I was discussing our Presidents with a man who said he was 36 years old and remembered exactly where he was, and what he was doing when they announced the assasination of JFK?

36? He wan't even conceived yet! I don't remember JFK's assasination, but I do remember Bobby's.

[MIKE28]

Have An Idea For The Diversity Program That Will Bring More Fans To The Sport, More Minorties To The Sport, Plus Also Make The Faithfuls Very Happy. Who Do I Need To Talk To About This That Is Trust Worthy?

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Originally Posted by MIKE28

Have An Idea For The Diversity Program That Will Bring More Fans To The Sport, More Minorties To The Sport, Plus Also Make The Faithfuls Very Happy. Who Do I Need To Talk To About This That Is Trust Worthy?

NASCAR already has a diversity program but if you have ideas then maybe you should contact them and see if they are interested.