[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

One class act subbing for another class act .. what a great idea!!!

I would have to disagree with the last part of your statement RD. I believe it should be one class act subbing for a class a$$ JMHO

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I would have to disagree with the last part of your statement RD. I believe it should be one class act subbing for a class a$$ JMHO

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[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Mike24

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Hehehe.... yup I'm back Mike

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

So what your saying is regardless of the situation, they should start the race? I'm not saying they should just have subs and get the points right away. In this situation, we have a driver that may have to miss a race to attend the birth of his child. Why should NASCAR punish Gordon for wanting to attend the birth of his child. I understand that you should start the race, regardless if you are hurt or not. But, a birth of a child is uncontrollable, so why punish Gordon for something like that? There are very few excuses for a sub to start the race and drive for another persons championship points, but in a situation of a birth, I think that is a great excuse.

Nope ... cannot agree with your reasoning at all. There are far to many excuses that a driver could use that should be considered valid if you are going to use birth as a legitimate excuse. I'd be happy to list them if you feel it necessary.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Nope ... cannot agree with your reasoning at all. There are far to many excuses that a driver could use that should be considered valid if you are going to use birth as a legitimate excuse. I'd be happy to list them if you feel it necessary.

Hmmm, and what would those be?

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Mike24

So what your saying is regardless of the situation, they should start the race? I'm not saying they should just have subs and get the points right away. In this situation, we have a driver that may have to miss a race to attend the birth of his child. Why should NASCAR punish Gordon for wanting to attend the birth of his child. I understand that you should start the race, regardless if you are hurt or not. But, a birth of a child is uncontrollable, so why punish Gordon for something like that? There are very few excuses for a sub to start the race and drive for another persons championship points, but in a situation of a birth, I think that is a great excuse.

I'm saying that if Nascar makes a driver who is hurt,( basically making it unsafe for the other 42 drivers) start a race in order to get the points, then why would they give points to one who's wife is having a baby? Should he miss the birth just to get the points, no. Should he accept that if he doesn't race he won't get the points, yes.
As far as it being uncontrollable and why should Gordon be punished. I bet the drivers who got hurt was in accidents that were uncontrollable, but they were, as you put it, punished. What makes Gordon any different?

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by jks812

I'm saying that if Nascar makes a driver who is hurt,( basically making it unsafe for the other 42 drivers) start a race in order to get the points, then why would they give points to one who's wife is having a baby? Should he miss the birth just to get the points, no. Should he accept that if he doesn't race he won't get the points, yes.
As far as it being uncontrollable and why should Gordon be punished. I bet the drivers who got hurt was in accidents that were uncontrollable, but they were, as you put it, punished. What makes Gordon any different?

here we go again.... lol. Before I respond, this goes to every single driver, not just Gordon.

Now, what I find wrong with your statement is you are comparing someone getting hurt to a birth, which they are completely different. If you are hurt, yes it is uncontrollable, but it also depends on how bad the injury is. A birth on the other hand is uncontrollable, so how can you predict that? Now maybe I'm in this so called "new school" fan base, but I believe that it is wrong to punish a driver in an uncontrollable situation, such as births and getting hurt. Why should NASCAR punish a driver for not starting the race in this type of situation? That makes NASCAR look like "well, racing is more important than attending a birth of your kid, so we won't give you the points." In my opinion, that sounds totally wrong. The same thing goes with Tony in 06. He should have been at home recovering from his injury, not risking it further because he had to start to get the points. Same thing goes with Jr, and any others. But if NASCAR wants to not award Gordon the points, as of now he has a big enough points lead where he can miss a race and not lose the lead. But it wouldn't affect his Chase status as you said, since the points are based on wins.

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by wardfan

If Hendrick Motor sports has figured out all the angles of subbing for Gordon, then why don't they just save all the drama and have wifey schedule a C section?

I know you're probably kidding, right? But I have to tell you, I'm surprised this is even an issue. The delivery of that baby can be scheduled or "timed", if you will, without a C-section, thanks to Petocin. But if I were Mrs. Gordon, I'd be mighty pissed if hubby even suggested it. I'm guessing Gordon will not have any problem missing a race, points or no points, if it comes to it. This is way too personal an event for anyone but the Gordon's to speculate about. Whatever NASCAR has done in the past is what should be done in this situation. It can't be the first time this situation has come up. Why is it even an issue?

[Mike24]

What it comes down to is this: Jeff Gordon cares more about the baby than racing, as he should. If he has to miss a race to attend the birth of his child, then he will miss a race. That's all there is to it.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Hmmm, and what would those be?

What about the following:

death in the family

marriage

religious event

in hospital

I'm sure others can come up with other reasons. My point is that everyone can justify events as important enough to miss a race, but still be able to earn points. My feeling is that if you drive ... you gain points. If you're at home or away from the track .... no points. Get a good lawyer and you'll have great reasons that justify your decisions.

[LSC9901]

First off even though this thread is about Jeff the scenerio applies to many of the drivers ... or at least could, so pointing directly at Jeff is senseless. I agree with Mike on that. With that said births are a controllable event ... to a degree. If his wife is at a safe point in the process they could induce labor. That much I'm pretty confident of. Maybe some of our female experts can expound on that a little more.

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

First off even though this thread is about Jeff the scenerio applies to many of the drivers ... or at least could, so pointing directly at Jeff is senseless. I agree with Mike on that. With that said births are a controllable event ... to a degree. If his wife is at a safe point in the process they could induce labor. That much I'm pretty confident of. Maybe some of our female experts can expound on that a little more.

I am a pro when it comes to Petocin and induced labor. Been there, done it, more than once. Most doctors will not induce to fit a patients schedule. Labor is induced when there are problems that require the baby be delivered right away to better ensure the health of both mother and baby. There are too many risks, blood pressure problems being one. Petocin is a very powerful drug and can do more harm than good on rare occassion. In my neck of the woods, it is not considered to be totally ethical to induce labor to fit your schedule. And let me tell you without boring all you guys with details, it is NOT a pleasant experience. If the Gordon's take this route, I hope she's smart enough to have a doctor who gives lots of good drugs during birth. Go for the epidural, girl!

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

I am a pro when it comes to Petocin and induced labor. Been there, done it, more than once. Most doctors will not induce to fit a patients schedule. Labor is induced when there are problems that require the baby be delivered right away to better ensure the health of both mother and baby. There are too many risks, blood pressure problems being one. Petocin is a very powerful drug and can do more harm than good on rare occassion. In my neck of the woods, it is not considered to be totally ethical to induce labor to fit your schedule. And let me tell you without boring all you guys with details, it is NOT a pleasant experience. If the Gordon's take this route, I hope she's smart enough to have a doctor who gives lots of good drugs during birth. Go for the epidural, girl!

The Gordon's won't take that route. I think their smart enough to know the risks in that situation.They want a healthy baby, so I'm sure they won't take that route. If Gordon has to miss a race, he will. No one knows when it will be born, until it's born.

[jks812]

The only reason I said what makes Gordon any different is because he's the one we were talking about. I don't think any driver should get points for a race they are not in. I don't care who they are or what the reason is. And obviously from past actions, Nascar don't care either.

[wardfan]

Jeez this thread is getting pretty dumb. You think Gordon was the only driver to ever have a kid. If he was so concerned about having a baby during race season they should have thought about that when she decided to get pregnant. Simple fact is if he ain't in the car for whatever reason he dosn't get the points.