[Quality88]

Originally Posted by nascarfan24

i want to know when Gordon said the race was set up! don't you think nascar would talk to jeff for blowing their "secret"? come on, nascar is not doing anything to fix races!

His fans.... not him said this.

[Mike24]

What is going to drive the point that NASCAR does not rig races? Does NASCAR need to call every fan to the control room to see how they run a Nextel cup race?

The reason NASCAR waited is because when David blew up, they were checking the track to see if anything was put down. They saw oil, and they threw the caution. But of course, Jeff Gordon took the lead while that happend, so now everyone thinks NASCAR did it on purpose. Let me ask you fans who keep saying NASCAR rigs races. Tell me why is it when anyone else takes the lead, and the caution comes out, and it is not a big issue? Yet, when it is Jr or Gordon in that position, now everyone thinks NASCAR is rigging races? It baffles me because when Jr and Gordon take the lead, then a caution comes out, it's like NASCAR is helping them. Yet, when it is anyone else, it's not a big issue? I would like for that to be answered. Or is it just an excuse because Jeff Gordon or Dale Jr won? That's the likely reason.

Originally Posted by SpaceCadet

No, I just don't buy into these conspiracy theories and paranoia. It all boils down to everyone hating a winner. Gordon is a race winner and consistent performer, as are others. I haven't figured out why, but it just seems to be human nature to hate winners, including me. I'd like to see someone besides HMS in Victory Lane. But did NASCAR conspire to have Gordon win the race? No. I think "Gary" has too much time on his hands.

Agreed 110%

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by nascarfan24

TOTAL AND COMPLETE BS! Today on Inside Nextel Cup they talked about this.NASCAR threw the caution out late because they wanted to see the race go green and Reutimann was in the middle of the pack when it happened so NASCAR had to wait and see if oil was indeed coming out of the car. And plus, one of the most obvious things, uh maybe Jeff just had a good car. McMurrey's crew chief sold him to shake the car a little on the restart because he was low on fuel. So he held up everyone past the 48 and 2 anyway, contributing to the tony and gililand wreck. So i think physics states that Jeff Gordon (you know, the POLE SITTER!) would have blown his doors off on the outside and won anyway! Anyone that thinks that NASCAR is this giant evil monster that helps fix races, NEEDS A CHECK UP FROM THE NECK UP! Now someone please tell me if i'm wrong. I seriously want to know if i'm right!

nascarfan24, when it's Jeff Gordon or Dale Jr in that position, people are going to think NASCAR is trying to help them win. But when it's anyone else, it's not a big deal, because it's not Jr or Gordon. I know the way you feel though.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

What is going to drive the point that NASCAR does not rig races? Does NASCAR need to call every fan to the control room to see how they run a Nextel cup race?

The reason NASCAR waited is because when David blew up, they were checking the track to see if anything was put down. They saw oil, and they threw the caution. But of course, Jeff Gordon took the lead while that happend, so now everyone thinks NASCAR did it on purpose. Let me ask you fans who keep saying NASCAR rigs races. Tell me why is it when anyone else takes the lead, and the caution comes out, and it is not a big issue? Yet, when it is Jr or Gordon in that position, now everyone thinks NASCAR is rigging races? It baffles me because when Jr and Gordon take the lead, then a caution comes out, it's like NASCAR is helping them. Yet, when it is anyone else, it's not a big issue? I would like for that to be answered. Or is it just an excuse because Jeff Gordon or Dale Jr won? That's the likely reason.



Agreed 110%

Mike ... do you recall the "overrated/overhyped" discussion ??? It's all about perception. You see things one way and others see them differently. Simple enough.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Mike ... do you recall the "overrated/overhyped" discussion ??? It's all about perception. You see things one way and others see them differently. Simple enough.

I just find it hard to believe though. It seems to me whenever Gordon or Jr is in that position, most think NASCAR rigs races. But, when it's anyone else, it's not a big deal. I agree with what Space said, I think the majority just hate a winner. That's why Sr had haters, that's why Gordon has haters. But, it's sad that NASCAR is now getting the blame for Gordon and Jr winning races. Gordon and Jr win races with pure talent, not because of NASCAR.

[Jeffrey4318]

Okay I'm just going to come out and type this. Please don't delete my post or ban me. I really think this needs to be typed. All those who hate Gordon and think Nascar is rigged need to get a life. I've never seen so many morons in my life. Idiotic post after idiotic post. I'm getting more tired of Gordon winning because of this crap. I dislike Gordon as much as anyone else here. I haven't seen this BS since his 13 win season.

Let me ask a question. Why is Gordon Nascar's "Golden Boy"? Because of ratings? Fans? $$$$? If that was the case then should Jr be their new "Golden Boy"? Wouldn't that make more sense? So shouldn't they be riggin races so Jr would win and run up front? Where is his advantage that Nascar gives him? Well hell Stewart has just as many fans then those two? Where are the complaints that Nascar is riggin races for him? Geez already......

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey4318

Okay I'm just going to come out and type this. Please don't delete my post or ban me. I really think this needs to be typed. All those who hate Gordon and think Nascar is rigged need to get a life. I've never seen so many morons in my life. Idiotic post after idiotic post. I'm getting more tired of Gordon winning because of this crap. I dislike Gordon as much as anyone else here. I haven't seen this BS since his 13 win season.

Let me ask a question. Why is Gordon Nascar's "Golden Boy"? Because of ratings? Fans? $$$$? If that was the case then should Jr be their new "Golden Boy"? Wouldn't that make more sense? So shouldn't they be riggin races so Jr would win and run up front? Where is his advantage that Nascar gives him? Well hell Stewart has just as many fans then those two? Where are the complaints that Nascar is riggin races for him? Geez already......

You have your opinion, others have theirs.... I saw the evidence and it's pretty hard to defend to say it wasn't when ESPN cameras had 24 fans saying it was fixed. That's my opinion. I don't hate winners. I like when Jeff Burton, Dale Jr, anybody that wins but a Hendrick driver. I don't like Hendrick or his drivers(exception Terry Labonte). That's my opinion. Have a nice day.

[Booyakascha]

It seems that quite a few of these conspiracy theorists just hate Jeff Gordon and can't admit that fact that he's better than <insert favorite driver's name here> Maybe if these rumors and opinions were given by people who don't have things like "I HATE JEFF GORDON" as a signature, they'd be given a LITTLE more credibility. Not much more because the entire concept is stupid but these biased theories and opinions by Jr. and Stewart fanboys are really getting old.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Booyakascha

It seems that quite a few of these conspiracy theorists just hate Jeff Gordon and can't admit that fact that he's better than <insert favorite driver's name here> Maybe if these rumors and opinions were given by people who don't have things like "I HATE JEFF GORDON" as a signature, they'd be given a LITTLE more credibility. Not much more because the entire concept is stupid but these biased theories and opinions by Jr. and Stewart fanboys are really getting old.

Yes! I agree completely!

[Souporscotty]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey4318

Let me ask a question. Why is Gordon Nascar's "Golden Boy"?

GREAT QUESTION! The only answer could be; "He's the fan's favorite". Why on earth would the 'Image Driven' NA$CAR let him win all the time? Do you suppose they want to see stuff thrown on the track every week? Do they want fans getting arrested at the tracks? Has anybody actually SEEN 'Area 51'?

[jks812]

Originally Posted by Booyakascha

It seems that quite a few of these conspiracy theorists just hate Jeff Gordon and can't admit that fact that he's better than <insert favorite driver's name here> Maybe if these rumors and opinions were given by people who don't have things like "I HATE JEFF GORDON" as a signature, they'd be given a LITTLE more credibility. Not much more because the entire concept is stupid but these biased theories and opinions by Jr. and Stewart fanboys are really getting old.

I don't have I hate anyone in my signature. I have said that even if it had been Jr, Johnson, or whoever that won I still wouldn't think it was done right. Do I think they did it just so that Gordon could win, not really. Just said it was strange how they waited. Figured they would throw it while he was in mid pack instead of waiting til he was by himself. I would've thought that regardless of who passed who.

[Phils20]

I'm just glad to read a few sensible posts here. Thankfully some have some common sense. After that post about Gordons wins under cauton, and all those in it who seem to see the black helecopters, it is refreshing to see that some see it for what it is. JG winning just because he is that damn good!

And I'm not a fan of his, but his numbers don't lie!

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Phils20

I'm just glad to read a few sensible posts here. Thankfully some have some common sense. After that post about Gordons wins under cauton, and all those in it who seem to see the black helecopters, it is refreshing to see that some see it for what it is. JG winning just because he is that damn good!

And I'm not a fan of his, but his numbers don't lie!

Quoted for truth. Those who can't put aside personal dislike for a driver (or player, or team, etc.) and recognize talent are one of my pet peeves. Gordon and his team truly are "that damn good" and the onus is now on everyone else to catch up. Hamlin and the Gibbs guys seem like the closest to taking over the reigns. That said, I really wish the caution would've come earlier, solely for selfish reasons - McMurray and Stewart were two fantasy starts for me that week.

[Souporscotty]

O.K. We've heard from alot of people about alot of things. I am not a driver fan. But will one of the Gordon haters PLEASE tell me why they think NA$CAR would 'fix' a race so he would win? Do they want to send ticket buying fans to jail? Do they want people to throw stuff on the track 'cause it 'makes for good entertainment'? Why EVER in the world would NA$CAR rig races so that their LEAST popular driver would win????? I must be the dumbest SOB in the world, 'cause I just don't understand this logic at all.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

O.K. We've heard from alot of people about alot of things. I am not a driver fan. But will one of the Gordon haters PLEASE tell me why they think NA$CAR would 'fix' a race so he would win? Do they want to send ticket buying fans to jail? Do they want people to throw stuff on the track 'cause it 'makes for good entertainment'? Why EVER in the world would NA$CAR rig races so that their LEAST popular driver would win????? I must be the dumbest SOB in the world, 'cause I just don't understand this logic at all.

Because they are Gordon haters.