[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Even if you qualify 15th you could be out. It all depends on where all the other non top 35 qualify. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Mikey qualified 20th or 21st for the Talladega race.

No Mikey really doesn't have much of a chance. I don't want to sound like a broken record but overall he isn't that great of a driver. I'm against him bringing in someone like Bill Elliot, but if they don't start running in some races real soon he has zero chance of ever getting that car into the show. What we are looking at today could happen again next year if the top 35 rule doesn't change.

This is flippin' crazy! Is this new this year? Who the hell thought of this?

One last question/scenario ...

So, Mikey qualified 20th-ish. One of the top 35 didn't qualify on speed alone, but was given an automatic "in". Does the guy who qualified after Mikey move up to 20th, and so on all the way back to whoever got the automatic "in"? Then, Mikey was out because all the other drivers out of the top 35 had more "something" than he did?

Sorry, I know I'm driving you nuts ...

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

This is flippin' crazy! Is this new this year? Who the hell thought of this?

One last question/scenario ...

So, Mikey qualified 20th-ish. One of the top 35 didn't qualify on speed alone, but was given an automatic "in". Does the guy who qualified after Mikey move up to 20th, and so on all the way back to whoever got the automatic "in"? Then, Mikey was out because all the other drivers out of the top 35 had more "something" than he did?

Sorry, I know I'm driving you nuts ...

It's a throw back to when dedication and commitment was viewed as having value. In todays environment of "what have you done for me lately (today)", it is viewed as antiquated.

One perspective might be - You're employed and your measure for the purpose of award is piecework. You're a 20 year employee and your daily piecework is 25 which has been in the top 90th percentile for all of your 20 years. You are a dedicated and valuable asset, and then --- Sparky Speedfreak gets brought in from a temp agency to cover a one day need and produces 26 pieces. It is clear to all that Sparky's perfprmance is a flash in the pan. Too bad for you though, rules say you sit out. As for your clear dedication and commitment over the long haul --- Sit on it. Don't seem fair, but that's the approach that is gaining favor.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

This is flippin' crazy! Is this new this year? Who the hell thought of this?

One last question/scenario ...

So, Mikey qualified 20th-ish. One of the top 35 didn't qualify on speed alone, but was given an automatic "in". Does the guy who qualified after Mikey move up to 20th, and so on all the way back to whoever got the automatic "in"? Then, Mikey was out because all the other drivers out of the top 35 had more "something" than he did?

Sorry, I know I'm driving you nuts ...

It's actually a bit more perverse than you think.

Let's look at a specific case: Mark Martin/Regan Smith. As you may know, Regan hasn't done anything to speak of this season. But because Mark has done well, even though he isn't entered in this weeks race, the car (number) he has been driving is in the top 35 owner's points. So, Regan gets the benefit of Mark's success with a guaranteed starting spot.

So, you could blame Regan for Mikey not making the race, if you wanted...

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

It's a throw back to when dedication and commitment was viewed as having value. In todays environment of "what have you done for me lately (today)", it is viewed as antiquated.

One perspective might be - You're employed and your measure for the purpose of award is piecework. You're a 20 year employee and your daily piecework is 25 which has been in the top 90th percentile for all of your 20 years. You are a dedicated and valuable asset, and then --- Sparky Speedfreak gets brought in from a temp agency to cover a one day need and produces 26 pieces. It is clear to all that Sparky's perfprmance is a flash in the pan. Too bad for you though, rules say you sit out. As for your clear dedication and commitment over the long haul --- Sit on it. Don't seem fair, but that's the approach that is gaining favor.

Wow! What an analogy! Sounds like all the people at my former company who lost their jobs because their jobs were vended out to India! I know ... off topic!

"Sparky Speedfreak" ...

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

It's actually a bit more perverse than you think.

Let's look at a specific case: Mark Martin/Regan Smith. As you may know, Regan hasn't done anything to speak of this season. But because Mark has done well, even though he isn't entered in this weeks race, the car (number) he has been driving is in the top 35 owner's points. So, Regan gets the benefit of Mark's success with a guaranteed starting spot.

So, you could blame Regan for Mikey not making the race, if you wanted...

Oh, my word! This is insane!

I don't get it! Is Regan driving Mark's car today?

[lilsexy08]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Me too ... right above his adams apple !!!

Let's just shave his head and be done with it! LOL!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by lilsexy08

Let's just shave his head and be done with it! LOL!

If that would get him into a race I bet he'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Racer Duck]

Not that it'll help Mikey (doubt if anything can .. but that's another post) I was sure rooting for Reutimann Sunday .. thought he had a top 5 wrapped up when that American-built Japanese engine let go. Boy was I disappointed

How great would that have been? A German driving a Japanese car in an American race for a Wit brother to a Top 5 finish!!!

[jks812]

I have a question regarding Mikey and the owner points. How exactly do they determine the owner points? I was watching Inside Nextel tonight and they showed the owner standings. Everyone gives Mikey a hard time for being in the negative, but so is DEI. Now what I don't understand is this, how is Mikey ahead of DEI? Can someone explain this to me?

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by jks812

I have a question regarding Mikey and the owner points. How exactly do they determine the owner points? I was watching Inside Nextel tonight and they showed the owner standings. Everyone gives Mikey a hard time for being in the negative, but so is DEI. Now what I don't understand is this, how is Mikey ahead of DEI? Can someone explain this to me?

I think there's a lot of misunderstanding about the Owner Points. But, you bring up a good point. So let's look at the Owner Points for DEI and MWR as of Talladega this year.

14th is Teresa Earnhardt with 994 points for car #8 (DEI)
18th is Teresa Earnhardt with 908 points for car #1 (DEI)
38th is Michael Waltrip with 591 points for car #44 (MWR)
39th is Teresa Earnhardt with 549 points for car #15 (DEI)
44th is Calvin Wells, III with 426 points for car #00 (MWR)
50th is Buffy Waltrip with 167 points for car #55 (MWR)

Mikey (car#44) might be "ahead" of Teresa (car #15), but DEI has a commanding lead of 2451 to 1184 total owner points for the 3 cars in each organization.

Sometimes it gets a little confusing when a race team (DEI, Roush, Childress, MWR, etc.) and car owner (Teresa, Jack, Richard, Mikey, etc.) are used interchangeably. But, as you can see, DEI has only one owner listed for all 3 cars while MWR has a different owner for each of their 3 cars.

Hope clears up some of the confusion....

BTW, the newscasters were wrong if they said MWR was ahead of DEI unless they were speaking of car numbers 44 and 15 only. As far as being in the negative, if you look, you'll find everyone is negative to #1, Rick Hendrick.

[oncea3fan]

correct me if Iam wrong but they don't merge points from all owned teams.
owner point are by per teram/car#

mark martin and regan smith both drive the 01, the points for that car the 01 are the owner points.

now dale jr.and truex drive the 8 and 1 cars thier point are individual to each drive because they don't share the car numbers.
it would be better refered to as car # points.

are you more confused now...................Iam

[jks812]

Thanks for the explanation. I've never really paid attention to the owner points and all that before. Then when I saw that last night, I was just wondering how was he ahead of DEI. I was all confused ( not that it's hard to do that). Thanks!!!

[lilsexy08]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

If that would get him into a race I bet he'd do it in a heartbeat.

LSC, you crack me up!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

correct me if Iam wrong but they don't merge points from all owned teams.
owner point are by per teram/car#

mark martin and regan smith both drive the 01, the points for that car the 01 are the owner points.

now dale jr.and truex drive the 8 and 1 cars thier point are individual to each drive because they don't share the car numbers.
it would be better refered to as car # points.

are you more confused now...................Iam

yer absolutely correct!!! car points aren't merged within an owner .. and they should be called "car points" but then this is NA$CAR...

I only totalled the car points to make the point that MWR couldn't possibly be ahead of DEI.

[LSC9901]

Once again Mikey fails to qualify for a race. This one is the Coca-Cola 600. When will NAPA get out of this expensive non advertisement ???