[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Waltrip didn't even know there was a substance in his car.

And there REALLY is a Santa Claus.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

And you really believe that? I know nothing is done to a race car that the oner and/or driver don't know about.

Yes. How does a driver know from a car that was built in the shop is contained with something illegal? Gordon didn't know his car was too low at Daytona... then again, that happend on the track, so of course he didn't know. But who knows. But my thinking is a driver has no idea what substance or what is done to the car that is built in the shop, unless it is done in the garage area. Then again, the CC may do something to it and not telling the driver. Chad Knaus never told JJ about the infraction with his car at Daytona 06. Who knows though.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

WOW ... those responses came in rapid fire. I hope now Penny you'll just accept that we don't like the Brothers Wit. OK ?????

I know, huh? I'm still going through them all.

Let's be clear, I accept the fact that you don't like the Brothers Wit. I don't have a problem with that ... I'm just trying to understand why you seethe whenever Nit or Dim are mentioned.

I've got more replies to go through ...

Oh, my God! What have I gotten myself into ... again?

[LSC9901]

There is a slight difference in this scenerio. Mike isn't just a driver like JJ or Jeff, he is also the owner. If the owner doesn't know what is going on then he is doing a terrible job of monitoring his workforce.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

If the owner doesn't know what is going on then he is doing a terrible job of monitoring his workforce.

The crazy thing about the Daytona thing was it was Toyotas maiden voyage and they really needed to keep their nose clean. The 55 gave them a black eye that will last a long time.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

Ya know Penny, I see your point. I'm no fan of Mikey, or his brother. But sometimes it does seem to go too far. But then again, sometimes other people think it goes too far about other drivers. Jeff Gordon comes to mind. I think the rules of the board say that you can bash the drivers all you want, just don't bash the posters.

I'm not bashing the posters at all. I would never do that! I wan't to know what's in their heads ...

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Yes. How does a driver know from a car that was built in the shop is contained with something illegal? Gordon didn't know his car was too low at Daytona... then again, that happend on the track, so of course he didn't know. But who knows. But my thinking is a driver has no idea what substance or what is done to the car that is built in the shop, unless it is done in the garage area. Then again, the CC may do something to it and not telling the driver. Chad Knaus never told JJ about the infraction with his car at Daytona 06. Who knows though.

If a crew member adds something to the car that could make the car faster and don't tell the driver and the driver heads off in a turn faster than expected then you run the risk of killing the very driver you are try to make faster. So yes he knew all about it.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

If a crew member adds something to the car that could make the car faster and don't tell the driver and the driver heads off in a turn faster than expected then you run the risk of killing the very driver you are try to make faster. So yes he knew all about it.

ok, I'll believe ya.

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

The crazy thing about the Daytona thing was it was Toyotas maiden voyage and they really needed to keep their nose clean. The 55 gave them a black eye that will last a long time.

Toyota isn't resting on an apology. Company officials are expected to send a letter out to all Toyota teams next week stating Waltrip's organization has used two of the company's three strikes. The next team that crosses the line will face the loss of the manufacturer's support.

this is from ESPN.com after Daytona.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I would argue the sponsor-whore thing a little bit. Mikey takes it to a much higher level. I know that when interviewed they all thank the sponsors but Mikey goes just a bit to far. Farther than most.

Reason 1) Mikey is not a very good driver. Without DEI he would have been gone long ago.

Reason 2) DW IS a terrible announcer. He should be doing color commentating but instead he babbles on about how racing should be done. If he knows so much why isn't he driving. He is also quite biased in his opinions.

Reason 3) DW when still driving was one of the very most immature interviewees I have ever watched. It's like watching a 3rd grader who just got a new baseball bat.

Reason 4) DW was his era's crappy driver. He was a crash & pass driver.

Reason 5) Both have thrown their entire being to Toyota. That certainly isn't the company that gave them the life they currently have.

These are all valid reasons for me and therefore I feel my bashing of them is all valid. If you need more reasons I'm sure I can squeek out a few more.

Thanks.

I have to agree that I never really noticed Nit until he joined DEI. Perhaps that's why I started following him. Any driver of Dale's is a driver of mine.

Perhaps it was the 2001 500 that struck me. The last thing I heard DW say was, "I hope Dale's alright." Mikey was in Victory Lane waiting for Sr. to come, and he never did.

Was it the next year that Jr. and Mikey finished 1st and 2nd and they jumped up and down with each other on top of the 8? Perhaps I'm mixing one race with another.

I know that's an emotional response.

I don't pay much attention to the announcers, but I don't think DW is any worse than others ... but I miss Benny.

I don't remember DW as a driver. I was very focused on Sr. back then.

Valid or not, bashing is ok. This has nothing to do with this forum, but I think Mikey is on his way out. If he can't qualify, and he can't own, what else is there for him? Too bad he's bringing DJ down with him.

Thanks for the info.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

yea........thats right...........and I realy don't like Dim Wit or Nit Wit!!!!

Cut it out! I'm not bashing any poster! Jeez!

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Cut it out! I'm not bashing any poster! Jeez!

LMAO. Time to get the popcorn ready!

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

Well Mike and PPS seeing that both of you like Earnhardt Sr. then I guess I will have to go back to when Dim Wit and Sr. was racing together and fill y'all in to some of the things Dim Wit would say about Sr. and his team.

I remember that. They were arch enemies at one time, weren't they?

[oncea3fan]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

My point was, Ron won Championships for DE in the truck series and had the NAPA sponsorship. As far as his ability in Cup, he only had a small shot with AJ Foyts team. Who knows what would have happened if he had been in the DEI 15 car. Hornaday is an ace at short tracks, and I think he would have had a much better chance at winning than he did in the Conseco car. He overdrove it to try and compete with the top teams.

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled bash Mikey thread.

actually hornaday had several chances at cup in DEI and RCR cars, but never was able to qualify. I remember a car sponbsored by Smith & Wesson, really cool black lumia.

also Ron has a serious burn scare on his neck, Iam sure that played to the desision of the sponsors. they wanted a good spokesmen and that what they got.

[SpaceCadet]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Let's be clear, I accept the fact that you don't like the Brothers Wit. I don't have a problem with that ... I'm just trying to understand why you seethe whenever Nit or Dim are mentioned.

Look at it this way. Why do you seethe whenever Jeff Gordon is mentioned? It's all the same thing. For whatever reason, you cannot stand him and LSC cannot stand Dim and Nit. The reasons may not even be tangible. I'm one of those people who don't understand the absolute and total dislike anyone has for any driver, any more than I understand having a favorite driver who can do no wrong no matter what. It's a sport, they're just driver's, and while I may like or dislike some more than others, my energy goes towards the racing itself. I noticed there's an awful lot of people on here who really carry the "hate" thing to an extreme. I don't know, maybe I'm just too "vanilla" about stuff that's so subjective. Stewart has made such bonehead remarks that I find myself getting pretty irritated by him, so maybe there's hope for me yet. And if the truth be known, before all this crap happened with Mikey, he actually made me chuckle from time to time. But he's not funny now, he's just kind of pathetic. Well, no matter what else, this all makes for some pretty interesting reading, that's for sure!