[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Interesting topic, Bob.

Whether you guys respect my opinion or not, I'm going to give it to you.

#1. If limiting the number of tires used in a Cup race is to even up the field, it's a bad idea. Let's face it: In racing, there are those who have, and those who have not. If a driver needs an additional tire because he runs over debris, does that count?

Let's not forget what happened to the Indy Series. The series split, and I haven't watched since. Lost interest. I used to watch the Indy 500 every year ... now ... I couldn't care less.

#2. The Winston is all about the fans. Period! It's an exhibition race, and the fans love it. There's no pity in this. It's not a points race is it? So what's the fuss all about?

When the Winston first started, they took a vote whether or not to invert the field before the last segment. Every time, the fans voted to invert. Not out of pity, but to see the excitement of the best cars come from the back. "Emotion" has nothing to do with it!

Now, the invert is a given, and they pick a number or spin the wheel to indicate how many cars will be inverted.

I love the Winston! Nothing you can say will change my mind!

come on Penny, tell us how you really feel.

somehow I agree with you .. how'd that happen

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

I do agree that it's great Hollywood.

That's all I take it for !

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

come on Penny, tell us how you really feel.

somehow I agree with you .. how'd that happen

Thanks, RD!

Just a different perspective ...

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Interesting topic, Bob.

Whether you guys respect my opinion or not, I'm going to give it to you.

#1. If limiting the number of tires used in a Cup race is to even up the field, it's a bad idea. Let's face it: In racing, there are those who have, and those who have not. If a driver needs an additional tire because he runs over debris, does that count?

Let's not forget what happened to the Indy Series. The series split, and I haven't watched since. Lost interest. I used to watch the Indy 500 every year ... now ... I couldn't care less.

#2. The Winston is all about the fans. Period! It's an exhibition race, and the fans love it. There's no pity in this. It's not a points race is it? So what's the fuss all about?

When the Winston first started, they took a vote whether or not to invert the field before the last segment. Every time, the fans voted to invert. Not out of pity, but to see the excitement of the best cars come from the back. "Emotion" has nothing to do with it!

Now, the invert is a given, and they pick a number or spin the wheel to indicate how many cars will be inverted.

I love the Winston! Nothing you can say will change my mind!

To me the Winston or the All Star race .. whatever it is now called is like the award shows from Hollywood. They are just patting themselves on the back. There is no incentive to win this race, other than the large chunk of cash. If you don't have the car then you can quit whenever. I do watch it if I have nothing better to do but it isn't a real priority for me.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

To me the Winston or the All Star race .. whatever it is now called is like the award shows from Hollywood. They are just patting themselves on the back. There is no incentive to win this race, other than the large chunk of cash. If you don't have the car then you can quit whenever. I do watch it if I have nothing better to do but it isn't a real priority for me.

Yup ... it's an All Star race and I love it!

[Donno]

Break the Good Year monopoly.... competition...? Let the vendors compete to put their tires on the cars... wooHH!! would the price of tires drop..? Hell yeah... who says that only Goodyear make tires...?

[Souporscotty]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Yup ... it's an All Star race and I love it!

If it's an ALL STAR race, then how can drivers BUY their way into it?

[thunderfoot]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I made it a point to not plagiarize David's postulates and gave the show credit in my offering here.

IRT #1... I think that it would help the less-funded teams and save them beau coup money. The problem is that there are no more lesser-funded team which are realistically competitive. The prevailing attitude by NASCAR, and a frightening number of fans is: "If you don't have millions and millions, we don't really want you in our "club." In the words of Marie Antoinette, "Let them eat cake!"

IRT #2... I agree with David. Emotions have no place in deciding who starts a race. The Winston is for winners, not popular drivers or the driver who sells the most tee-shirts. However, I also side with Poole that IF they continue this silly "Pity Pass" crap, let's get together and vote in James Harvey Hylton. Letting a 72 year old start the Winston would be...? Kind of like voting Sanjaya in for a starting spot; competition-wise, absolutely useless.

The postulate I left out was his idea that the BGN Series should mirror the cars we see on the streets. Make it a Series devoted to Honda, Mitsubishi, and all these other "rice rockets" which go sliding around the corners, sounding like a swarm of demented bees. You know the ones, those which exhaust extensions the size of Dinty Moore Beef Stew cans.

The argument is that (a) It would really bring in an entire demographic of NASCAR fans, and (b) it "might" add an element of stock appearance to one of the NASCAR Series'.

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Interesting topic, Bob.

Whether you guys respect my opinion or not, I'm going to give it to you.

#1. If limiting the number of tires used in a Cup race is to even up the field, it's a bad idea. Let's face it: In racing, there are those who have, and those who have not. If a driver needs an additional tire because he runs over debris, does that count?

Let's not forget what happened to the Indy Series. The series split, and I haven't watched since. Lost interest. I used to watch the Indy 500 every year ... now ... I couldn't care less.

#2. The Winston is all about the fans. Period! It's an exhibition race, and the fans love it. There's no pity in this. It's not a points race is it? So what's the fuss all about?

When the Winston first started, they took a vote whether or not to invert the field before the last segment. Every time, the fans voted to invert. Not out of pity, but to see the excitement of the best cars come from the back. "Emotion" has nothing to do with it!

Now, the invert is a given, and they pick a number or spin the wheel to indicate how many cars will be inverted.

I love the Winston! Nothing you can say will change my mind!

Hey PPS- Are you really a blonde? That dont sound like no blonde I ever knew

[thunderfoot]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

If it's an ALL STAR race, then how can drivers BUY their way into it?

Or crash their way in. When it first started it was a true all star run what ya brung kind of thing. Did Rusty ever choke on that money?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

I
Whether you guys respect my opinion or not, I'm going to give it to you.

#1. If limiting the number of tires used in a Cup race is to even up the field, it's a bad idea. Let's face it: In racing, there are those who have, and those who have not. If a driver needs an additional tire because he runs over debris, does that count?

I may be wrong and I'm sure if I am someone will correct me but ...... I believe they limit the number of tires you can change under normal running conditions. If there is an accident/debris or possibly other factors I think you get a freebie ................ I think ????

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by thunderfoot

Hey PPS- Are you really a blonde? That dont sound like no blonde I ever knew

Sure am!

[thunderfoot]

Going down the freeway today I got cut off by a blonde in an SUV and the plate read PPS.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by thunderfoot

Going down the freeway today I got cut off by a blonde in an SUV and the plate read PPS.

No Way!

[thunderfoot]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

No Way!

Way. Where do you get those kicken moving figures? It's like you got one for all occasions.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by thunderfoot

Way. Where do you get those kicken moving figures? It's like you got one for all occasions.

Someone on this forum pointed me to it, but I don't remember who. Google Smiley Central, and you can find it. There's a ton of stuff there! Things I haven't even discovered yet!

Once you download, a little smiley icon will be on your toolbar. Just click on it.