[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by simple simon

ahh yes........but the CTS trucks never claim to be stock even though it is part of the NASCAR family

i think it is much more implied in the Nextel Series that they are "stock" cars

Only by those who are not in the know.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

hmmm...never thought of racing bulldozers

Could be the next big thing !!

[oncea3fan]

I like the boxier look, but I hate the wing.

although if you look around alot new cars have a "wing" or pedastol spoiler.heck my 2000 camaro has a type of wing.
all in all I still don't like the wing.

[vincesanity82]

I will say this, I didn't think the votes would be this even, interesting..

[lilsexy08]

Originally Posted by PettyBlue

To use the winners words=it sucks!

On that topic, shouldn't have Kyle Busch been penalized in points or something for saying that, the suck word I mean.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by lilsexy08

On that topic, shouldn't have Kyle Busch been penalized in points or something for saying that, the suck word I mean.

It was the other "S" word that got Jr. in trouble.

[lilsexy08]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

It was the other "S" word that got Jr. in trouble.

I know I just like to pick on the Busch Brothers! LOL!

[Bob Tanner]

I'm kind of ambivolent about the looks of the thing. It's a race car and it puts NASCAR across the threshold from being a stock car racing organization to just a racing sanctioning body.

If you're "old school," like myself, there is no more major league stock car racing. NASCAR will use the new race car. ARCA will use the old race car, late models are just versions of the ARCA car. Some tracks run late models that look more like Featherlite Modifieds. About the only actual stock car racing I can think of, off the top of my head, is the "Bomber, and other beginning, low-buck classes they run at the local tracks.

The fact is that it is a new dawn of racing. The new race car is here to stay, whether we like it or not. Stock car racing has turned into what it's turned into, whether we like it or not. The onus is on us to either accept it or reject it.

The bottom line, as I see it, is that the only difference between NASCAR and all other forms of professional closed track racing is the size, weight and shape of the cars, and the degree of technology associated with the different types. Other than that we stock car fans who could proudly claim that "our racing was different" from those other "hoity-toity" forms, can no longer honestly make that claim.

Yes, I know. They haven't been "stock cars" since the mid-60's. But the new race car has finally hammered that last nail in the coffin that held a small glimmer of deluted belief. Please excuse me while I shed a tear for the stock car racing we've lost.

[wingkey1]

For those in range and interested.

May 14th & 15th 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. test session at Dover open to fans with free parking and admission to track.

Break each day between 12 - 1 for lunch. 40 teams expected, concession stands open.

[obrien2]

The cot is extremely ugly. I still believe nascar only made this change to make it easier for toyota to get in the game by putting everyone on a more level playing field.

Nascar really should get back to their roots. Buy and modify real cars, or at least have them resemble what is actually sold on the dealer lots.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by obrien2

Nascar really should get back to their roots. Buy and modify real cars, or at least have them resemble what is actually sold on the dealer lots.

I understand what you're saying but those days are gone forever. That, my friend, is a check you can take to any bank and it will never bounce.

We lost "stock car" racing when they went from a solid frame to uni-body construction. If you really want to see actual stock car racing today, go to you local track and watch the lowest, or lowest couple of classes. (the beginners) Every other class just runs a car specifically designed for track racing.

As far as NASCAR and roots (read: tradition), ask Junie Donlevey, Bud Moore, the city of North Wilksboro, the fans who used to attend Rockingham and College Station, and the people who still believe the only place to run a race on Labour Day is Darlington, about NASCAR and tradition. It is non-existent.

They still have 36 point races, two qualifying races, one race for pole winners and one race designed to promote toy cars, each year. Let's just sit back and try to enjoy that because, truthfully, that's about all we have.

[titans#1]

i dont like the look but the racing is the same,as long as the racing doesnt change im happy.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by titans#1

i dont like the look but the racing is the same,as long as the racing doesnt change im happy.

actually only the people are the same .. racing's changed 'cause the racing folk (drivers and teams) are having to learn how to make this new widget perform .. they've already found out it won't turn as well as the "old" cars. someday, hopefully soon, we'll find out if they will "fly" at the restrictor plate tracks. so the illusion of the past 2 races that everything is the same is just that: illusion!!

[Jeffrey4318]

The only thing I dislike about the cars is that it was suppose to create a more even playing field. I think we can all say after witnessing these past two races that nothing has changed. All the racing will be the same. The teams with the most resources and money will still dominate. I should of snapped out of my denial sooner. I don't know why but I really hoped that the boxier car would put the driver back into play. I though it would bring back some of the older drivers like Labonte, Rudd, and Jarrett. I don't think these drivers have lost the ability to drive I just think they haven't adapted to the newer cars as well as the younger crowd. I really hoped this new car would bring things back to the hay days. Nope, just the same as before the car is still driving the driver, and not the driver driving the car.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey4318

The only thing I dislike about the cars is that it was suppose to create a more even playing field. I think we can all say after witnessing these past two races that nothing has changed. All the racing will be the same. The teams with the most resources and money will still dominate. I should of snapped out of my denial sooner. I don't know why but I really hoped that the boxier car would put the driver back into play. I though it would bring back some of the older drivers like Labonte, Rudd, and Jarrett. I don't think these drivers have lost the ability to drive I just think they haven't adapted to the newer cars as well as the younger crowd. I really hoped this new car would bring things back to the hay days. Nope, just the same as before the car is still driving the driver, and not the driver driving the car.

I don't think you can blame lack of ability ALONE for the fact that the veteran drivers don't do so well. They do decrease in ability therefore end up (generally) with the lesser funded teams. Lesser funding means equipment and personell that are not top notch. Other than that the COT hasn't changed anything as far as equalizing racing.