[Tuck4Bama]

I for one was a Huge Dale Sr. fan. I started Being a fan of his when I saw him make a pass at Talladega with five wide and Earhardt went through the grass in the tri oval at 200 MPH to take the lead. That my friends is desire to win.
Yes he was always an agressive driver but I do not remember him wrecking other cars for fun. most of the time when he did his bump and run it was inside two laps to go. If he was faster than the car in front of him and they were continiosly blocking he would give them a bump but not enough to spin them if they continued to block with a slower car he would move them for the pass especially if it was for the win. I have seeen him bump draft and literally push other cars to help them get the lead. If I had what I knew was a faster car and was being blocked I would do the same thing and most drivers will when they can smell the chekered flag.

Just my opinion

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

I can't believe I'm going to post this, but I actually agree with you on this one. However, there is a fine line that must be respected.

I agree that there is a line to draw. I think if your racing for like 2nd or lower, that dosen't deserve for someone to be wrecked, now like a bump n run is a different story. But when it's for the lead and inside 2 to go, I'm going to do whatever it takes. If that means moving him, then that's what it means. A win is a win, it dosen't matter how you get it, it is still an amazing feeling to win.

But like I said, we all have different styles we like, being racing fans is what matters the most.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Tuck4Bama

I for one was a Huge Dale Sr. fan. I started Being a fan of his when I saw him make a pass at Talladega with five wide and Earhardt went through the grass in the tri oval at 200 MPH to take the lead. That my friends is desire to win.
Yes he was always an agressive driver but I do not remember him wrecking other cars for fun. most of the time when he did his bump and run it was inside two laps to go. If he was faster than the car in front of him and they were continiosly blocking he would give them a bump but not enough to spin them if they continued to block with a slower car he would move them for the pass especially if it was for the win. I have seeen him bump draft and literally push other cars to help them get the lead. If I had what I knew was a faster car and was being blocked I would do the same thing and most drivers will when they can smell the chekered flag.

Just my opinion

Thanks, Tuck. I agree! And I remember that "pass in the grass". He was/is berated for that, but that was a move that could only be done by a talented racer with a determination to win!

Sr. had another move that I loved ... let's see if I can explain it ... Going into turns 1 or 3, someone would pass him on the inside, then Sr. would duck down to the inside, and as the car that just passed him moved up, Sr. would take them on the inside. I've yet to see any driver make that move. There was a certain excitement to Sr. that I don't think we'll ever see again. I miss him!

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Mike24

I agree that there is a line to draw. I think if your racing for like 2nd or lower, that dosen't deserve for someone to be wrecked, now like a bump n run is a different story. But when it's for the lead and inside 2 to go, I'm going to do whatever it takes. If that means moving him, then that's what it means. A win is a win, it dosen't matter how you get it, it is still an amazing feeling to win.

But like I said, we all have different styles we like, being racing fans is what matters the most.

I don't quite agree with a "win is a win". I don't think any driver should wreck everyone in front of them to win a race. Moving them out of the way on the last one or two laps? That's ok, as long as they clearly have the faster car and don't wreck anyone.

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by Tuck4Bama

I for one was a Huge Dale Sr. fan. I started Being a fan of his when I saw him make a pass at Talladega with five wide and Earhardt went through the grass in the tri oval at 200 MPH to take the lead. That my friends is desire to win.
Yes he was always an agressive driver but I do not remember him wrecking other cars for fun. most of the time when he did his bump and run it was inside two laps to go. If he was faster than the car in front of him and they were continiosly blocking he would give them a bump but not enough to spin them if they continued to block with a slower car he would move them for the pass especially if it was for the win. I have seeen him bump draft and literally push other cars to help them get the lead. If I had what I knew was a faster car and was being blocked I would do the same thing and most drivers will when they can smell the chekered flag.

Just my opinion

Ok now you have brought up a different point all together. Like I said be-four if the slower car holds his line then the faster car has the rest of the track then he should use it or stay where he is. But if you are the slower car and you keep blocking the faster car then a little tap may be in order but not to wreck them.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

Ok now you have brought up a different point all together. Like I said be-four if the slower car holds his line then the faster car has the rest of the track then he should use it or stay where he is. But if you are the slower car and you keep blocking the faster car then a little tap may be in order but not to wreck them.

I agree with you ... I think ...

Taps by the faster car are ok. Wrecking the slower car isn't.

Any respectable driver who knows he/she doesn't have a chance should let the faster car by. End of story!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

You all are missing my point.

I'm not saying crashing is ok. Of course I want to see racing and not crashing. I'm not saying I want to see WRECKS, what I am saying is when you are racing to win, you should do whatever it takes to get that win, not just ride around because you know you can't pass him clean.

Racing to win and crashing people are 2 different things. I don't want to see wrecking, but I want to see actual racing to win, not just people riding around because they know they can't pass the leader. These drivers say they have a passion to win, but they do not have a TRUE passion. If it's the final lap, and I tell myself, "I have a shot to win this thing", I'm going to do whatever I have to do to take that opportunity and win the race. I don't care if you like it or not, I want to win and I will do whatever it takes. Sr had this attitude, and I respected him for it.

Again, let me make it clear. I do not like to see crashing, I'm talking about racing for the win, not wrecking and demo derbys.
Whatever happend to the term "rubbin is racin"?

Either I don't understand what you are saying or you don't explain it well. You're saying that passion means you'll do whatever it takes to win. To me that includes crash & pass and it is done to often. To me if you are in second place and are not fast enough to drive by then you have a second place car ... period. Where do you draw the line between passion and poor driving?

Dale Sr. ... driver or racer ?? Not sure I follow that. By trade they are all drivers, by desire they should all be racers. I didn't say anything negative about him as a person, figure in NASCAR or anything else. I only stated that I didn't care for his style of driving. There is a lot about Stewart that I don't like. I do like his desire to be a winner. I do like his potential abilities but some of what he does I do not like.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Either I don't understand what you are saying or you don't explain it well. You're saying that passion means you'll do whatever it takes to win. To me that includes crash & pass and it is done to often. To me if you are in second place and are not fast enough to drive by then you have a second place car ... period. Where do you draw the line between passion and poor driving?

Dale Sr. ... driver or racer ?? Not sure I follow that. By trade they are all drivers, by desire they should all be racers. I didn't say anything negative about him as a person, figure in NASCAR or anything else. I only stated that I didn't care for his style of driving. There is a lot about Stewart that I don't like. I do like his desire to be a winner. I do like his potential abilities but some of what he does I do not like.

amen and right on!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

I don't quite agree with a "win is a win". I don't think any driver should wreck everyone in front of them to win a race. Moving them out of the way on the last one or two laps? That's ok, as long as they clearly have the faster car and don't wreck anyone.

If a driver does not have the skill nor the speed to pass an opponent cleanly using the unoccupied parts of the track, then "moving" that opponent is akin to cheating .. it certainly isn't sportsmanlike. whether it's the last lap or the first lap, it's all the same.

I applaud the drivers that take chances to win. I don't like drivers that block. And I disrespect any driver who relies on "moving" their competition out of the way in order to advance their position.

Crashes and wrecks happen when a driver is "moved" by his competition .. there are too many variables that the "moving" driver cannot control and that's the biggest problem other than sportsmanship. You can say you're sorry all you want, the fact still remains you caused the wreck because you didn't have enough faith in your car and your driving abilities to pass that opponent cleanly.

[Souporscotty]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

If a driver does not have the skill nor the speed to pass an opponent cleanly using the unoccupied parts of the track, then "moving" that opponent is akin to cheating .. it certainly isn't sportsmanlike. whether it's the last lap or the first lap, it's all the same.

Sometimes tho', that unoccupied part of the track can become occupied quite quickly.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

Sometimes tho', that unoccupied part of the track can become occupied quite quickly.

A few different ways for it to become occupied. The empty lane(s) can be consumed by others making a clean pass. It can become full of a wrecked vehicle or even by a leader turning into a blocker.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

Sometimes tho', that unoccupied part of the track can become occupied quite quickly.

that's why the thought of racing bulldozers appeals to me - just plow right on thru

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

that's why the thought of racing bulldozers appeals to me - just plow right on thru

Probably take them an hour to get around Talledega !!

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Probably take them an hour to get around Talledega !!

yeah! green-white-checker with "the big one" in the middle.

[Tuck4Bama]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Probably take them an hour to get around Talledega !!

I live about 25 mmiles from Talladaga. I will be going to watch them qualify and practice. Should be interesting to see how the cars react all bunched up, how the infamous aero push effects the cars.