[Mike24]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

So if jeffie still had his passion to win he would have dumped him. after all you said if they have the passion then "win at all cost".

You didn't read my post.

Jeff moved him out of the way, Johnson just came down and made contact with Gordon, and it slowed Gordon's momentum. Gordon may have won the race if Johnson didn't come down and make contact with Gordon.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Mike24

He wasn't whining. He was just admitting that he should have shoved Johnson out of the way the way he was blocking him.

Ah, yes. Gordon always expects another driver to "let him by".

I thought Johnson did a great job blocking Gordon. As I said in another thread, I think blocking for the win is great ... a unique talent ... but dangerous! Still doesn't make me a Johnson fan!

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by Mike24

You didn't read my post.

Jeff moved him out of the way, Johnson just came down and made contact with Gordon, and it slowed Gordon's momentum. Gordon may have won the race if Johnson didn't come down and make contact with Gordon.

O but I have read them all and the fact is jeffie didn't dump him so by your own standered he don't have the passion to win anymore that is what you have said "win at all cost"

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Ah, yes. Gordon always expects another driver to "let him by".

I thought Johnson did a great job blocking Gordon. As I said in another thread, I think blocking for the win is great ... a unique talent ... but dangerous! Still doesn't make me a Johnson fan!

I wasn't saying blocking wasn't ok. I was saying Jeff said he should have spon him the way Johnson was blocking him. If your getting blocked, then just move him.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

O but I have read them all and the fact is jeffie didn't dump him so by your own standered he don't have the passion to win anymore that is what you have said "win at all cost"

Troll, you just don't get my point, that's all.

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Troll, you just don't get my point, that's all.

this is a Quote by you mike
"If you are faster, and the driver dosen't let him by, then just move him. The same thing goes with 2nd being slower. If he is slower, then he needs to get more out of the car. If the leader dosen't let him by, then move him. Sr did that all the time, and I respected him for it because it showed me his passion to win, which alot of drivers don't have, because they care too much about their competitors. Sr didn't, all he cared about was winning"

This was your point last week has it changed?

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by Mike24

I wasn't saying blocking wasn't ok. I was saying Jeff said he should have spon him the way Johnson was blocking him. If your getting blocked, then just move him.

Hmmmmmmm ... can't say I agree. If Jeff said he should have spun Johnson because of the way he was blocking him, that's just wrong. If you're getting blocked, deal with it, and find a way around. Move the blocker? Sure. Spin the blocker, nope!

Anyway, it was a great finish. The only thing that would have made it better would be to see Johnson and Gordon wreck and the 3rd place driver win ... whoever that would have been.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Troll, you just don't get my point, that's all.

Mike I don't think any of us get your point. Last week it was win at any cost and this week it's don't take out your teammate. What exception to your rules will change next time around. Jeff may have "bumped" JJ but he didn't try to win at any cost. Just who do you feel is most important to HMS ???

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Man, nothing gets by you!

Well I wish that were true but .... I do try to take note of everything that is said. Partial quotes are like statements from politicians. What they are telling you is true ....... but not the entire truth.

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Mike I don't think any of us get your point. Last week it was win at any cost and this week it's don't take out your teammate. What exception to your rules will change next time around. Jeff may have "bumped" JJ but he didn't try to win at any cost. Just who do you feel is most important to HMS ???

Thanks LSC I new I wasn't the only one that felt this way.

[wardfan]

poor poor jeffy, he bumped Johnson a couple of time and thought he was suppose to move over for him. So when that didn't happen he was whinning about it. Tisk Tisk, Gordon helped create the monster, now he has got to live with him.

[PenelopePitStop]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Mike I don't think any of us get your point. Last week it was win at any cost and this week it's don't take out your teammate. What exception to your rules will change next time around. Jeff may have "bumped" JJ but he didn't try to win at any cost. Just who do you feel is most important to HMS ???

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Mike I don't think any of us get your point. Last week it was win at any cost and this week it's don't take out your teammate. What exception to your rules will change next time around. Jeff may have "bumped" JJ but he didn't try to win at any cost. Just who do you feel is most important to HMS ???

I said "win at any costs", but I never said anything about teammates. Now if someone had mentioned it to me about it, then yea, I would have probably responded similar to the way I am now. You do whatever it takes to win, even if it's your teammate. But, when you are racing your teammates, you need to be extra careful. And the fact that Jeff owns the 48 car, Jeff gets owner points from the 48, so he should have been extra careful. Jeff still showed he had a passion to win by trying to bump the 48 out of the way, which he did that, but Johnson came down on him and slowed the momentum. If he didn't do that, Jeff would have probably won. It showed Johnson's passion to win also.

I don't think any of you are getting my point also. But I will say it clearly. When it's not your teammate, it's fair game. But when you are racing your teammate, you should be extra careful, but still try to win. Jeff tried, but was careful around his teammate, Jimmie Johnson.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by wardfan

poor poor jeffy, he bumped Johnson a couple of time and thought he was suppose to move over for him. So when that didn't happen he was whinning about it. Tisk Tisk, Gordon helped create the monster, now he has got to live with him.

Jeff never said Jimmie was supposed to move over for him. He even admitted in the post-race interview that Jimmie was doing what he was supposed to do.

[LSC9901]

I think we all already agree that we do not get your point. No you never said anything about excluding teammates either .... but your only statement was "WIN AT ANY COST". Your statement made no exception about anyone at that point. We may not have agreed with your point of view but now some see you bending your own rules to fit the scenerio. When the "overhyped" versus "over rated" discussion was going on many couldn't see your point. The lines you draw seem vague at times. So vague that they change under different conditions. My self I guess I'll never quite see your point because it appears to be ever changing for the current situation. If you can live with it then for me that is fine. What I do see is more posters that do not see your point, than those that do. I just don't think you can have an on and off button on passion. If Jeff really was upset it didn't stir up any passion in his driving. Bumping and winning at any cost are two different ways of driving. If he was really interested in owner points then he would not have been mad. I guess we'll never really know if he was mad or just passionless.