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Old 03-17-2007, 08:21 PM
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NASCAR and Fairness

I'm not sure I agree totally, but I found the following article interesting and thought provoking.

To some of the newer fans, it might answer some questions you see asked here.

The Frontstretch: NASCAR Practices Unfair Practice
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Old 03-17-2007, 08:28 PM
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Re: NASCAR and Fairness

NASCAR is sending a strong message to teams and fans that they don’t care about the smaller teams, and the current inspection/practice policy only strengthens that conception. The teams that are adversely affected end up in a vicious cycle: in a points hole and unable to make their cars good enough with limited practice to dig out of it. Surely there is a fix to this problem. The victor can have the spoils, but ensuring that the same select teams will always be the victor goes against everything NASCAR should stand for.

Good grief.... I'm so sick and tired of people thinking NASCAR only cares about the big teams. If they only cared about the big teams, then why is Ginn Racing performing so well? "Oh, because of Mark Martin." Don't throw that crap at me. Ginn Racing gets their engines from HMS... so they are still getting help from other organizations, yet they are running in the top 5 and top 10 every week. Maybe this guy who wrote the article needs to follow NASCAR a little more closely before making comments?

I wish the media would just stop complaining and bickering about NASCAR, and watch it and enjoy it.
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Old 03-17-2007, 08:34 PM
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NASCAR is sending a strong message to teams and fans that they don’t care about the smaller teams, and the current inspection/practice policy only strengthens that conception.
i dont get that part

its harder for smaller single car teams to pass inspection and not cheat

seems to me the multi-car teams have been the ones caught cheating this year
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Old 03-17-2007, 08:38 PM
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i dont get that part

its harder for smaller single car teams to pass inspection and not cheat

seems to me the multi-car teams have been the ones caught cheating this year
Exactly. The multi-car teams have been hit hard by NASCAR, yet the small teams aren't even in the news? Hmmmmm.
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Old 03-17-2007, 09:43 PM
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NASCAR is sending a strong message to teams and fans that they don’t care about the smaller teams, and the current inspection/practice policy only strengthens that conception. The teams that are adversely affected end up in a vicious cycle: in a points hole and unable to make their cars good enough with limited practice to dig out of it. Surely there is a fix to this problem. The victor can have the spoils, but ensuring that the same select teams will always be the victor goes against everything NASCAR should stand for.

Good grief.... I'm so sick and tired of people thinking NASCAR only cares about the big teams. If they only cared about the big teams, then why is Ginn Racing performing so well? "Oh, because of Mark Martin." Don't throw that crap at me. Ginn Racing gets their engines from HMS... so they are still getting help from other organizations, yet they are running in the top 5 and top 10 every week. Maybe this guy who wrote the article needs to follow NASCAR a little more closely before making comments?

I wish the media would just stop complaining and bickering about NASCAR, and watch it and enjoy it.
I'm not sure Junie Donlevey, Bud Moore, Morgan-McClure, Gary Betchel, and some other former one and two-car teams would totally agree with your assessment of the article.
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Old 03-17-2007, 09:46 PM
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I'm not sure Junie Donlevey, Bud Moore, Morgan-McClure, Gary Betchel, and some other former one and two-car teams would totally agree with your assessment of the article.
It's not NASCAR's fault they couldn't make it...
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Old 03-17-2007, 09:54 PM
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It's not NASCAR's fault they couldn't make it...
Intelligent people can always agree to disagree. That's why they make cars in a variety of colours; to suit different tastes.
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Old 03-17-2007, 09:55 PM
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Intelligent people can always agree to disagree. That's why they make cars in a variety of colours; to suit different tastes.
lol... true.
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Old 03-17-2007, 10:07 PM
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It's not NASCAR's fault they couldn't make it...
Well imposing rules that create a class system whereby people with faster qualifying times go home and drivers who were "once" champions, and who qualified slower get to race ........that would indeed make it Nascar's fault

This post is along the lines of the Pre-Qualifying inspections post I started

To qualify, teams send a representative to pull a number out of a hat to see their teams qualifying order........so it is random so to speak
However inspections are still done in order of Team Points.....does this make sense? This is why those outside of the chosen 35 often dont get much/any practice time as inspection often goes overtime

Wouldnt it be wiser to inspect vehicles in the same order as that of the random draw.......I mean inspect , then qualify...next, inspect then qualify.......
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Old 03-17-2007, 10:36 PM
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Re: NASCAR and Fairness

I do watch Nascar. If anything Nascar is on I'm watching, and I enjoy it very much. I do agree with what some of the article stated. Why not draw for inspection like they do qualifying? Give the smaller teams a chance at as much practice time as the bigger teams.
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Wouldnt it be wiser to inspect vehicles in the same order as that of the random draw.......I mean inspect , then qualify...next, inspect then qualify.......
That's way too simple and way too fair! What are you, some kind of commie or something? Why, what would Rousch or Hendrick or Everham do if they couldn't get all their cars on the track in time to practice. Heads would roll!!!
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Old 03-17-2007, 11:32 PM
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Hello ????? NASCAR ..... Fairness. This is a joke ... right ???
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Well imposing rules that create a class system whereby people with faster qualifying times go home and drivers who were "once" champions, and who qualified slower get to race ........that would indeed make it Nascar's fault

This post is along the lines of the Pre-Qualifying inspections post I started

To qualify, teams send a representative to pull a number out of a hat to see their teams qualifying order........so it is random so to speak
However inspections are still done in order of Team Points.....does this make sense? This is why those outside of the chosen 35 often dont get much/any practice time as inspection often goes overtime

Wouldnt it be wiser to inspect vehicles in the same order as that of the random draw.......I mean inspect , then qualify...next, inspect then qualify.......
That's too bad. Maybe they need to race there way up the point standings so they can get their car inspected early and practice? That's what Ginn Racing is doing.
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That's too bad. Maybe they need to race there way up the point standings so they can get their car inspected early and practice? That's what Ginn Racing is doing.
How is that supposed to happen when a guy qualifies better than 10 of the "favored 35" but still is prevented from racing? How in the world are these guys supposed to "move up" if they won't even let them in the race???

What do you think would happen if Gordon or Johnson or Jr. or Harvick or Kahne or Martin or either Busch was told practice time was over before they finished inspection? Do you think Mike Heltin & Company wouldn't hear anything from their sponsors? When DuPont, Lowes, Bud or any of the other major sponsors call .. he snaps to attention!!! The $$$ still speaks loudest and that SUCKS!
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Old 03-18-2007, 12:25 AM
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How is that supposed to happen when a guy qualifies better than 10 of the "favored 35" but still is prevented from racing? How in the world are these guys supposed to "move up" if they won't even let them in the race???

What do you think would happen if Gordon or Johnson or Jr. or Harvick or Kahne or Martin or either Busch was told practice time was over before they finished inspection? Do you think Mike Heltin & Company wouldn't hear anything from their sponsors? When DuPont, Lowes, Bud or any of the other major sponsors call .. he snaps to attention!!! The $$$ still speaks loudest and that SUCKS!
Isn't that why we keep saying "the fastest 43 drivers should make the race?" But, NASCAR will not change anything, so they will need to race their way in the top 35. If they aren't good enough to be in the top 35 and stay there... that's not NASCAR's fault.

But I agree, the inspection process needs to be changed. Everyone should receive an equal amount of practice time.
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