[Souporscotty]

You can say whatever you want about NASCAR fans,(hell, I used to have a GREAT mullet) but you gotta admit, they're passionate!

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

You can say whatever you want about NASCAR fans,(hell, I used to have a GREAT mullet) but you gotta admit, they're passionate!

But according to some people, I was "too passionate." Didn't know there was such a thing, but I guess there is lol.

Anyways... we should get on topic before LSC yells at us...

[LSC9901]

Passionate, overrated, overhyped ...... whatever. First things first. A few mentions of Mike24 and his passion for his driver. Mike has made a nice adjustment from the '06 season to this one and for those of us who were witness to last years threads are very impressed with the change. Great job Mike.

As far as bringing Gordon (or your favorite driver) into the thread about Jr or whoever the thread may be the subject of ....... Comparisons are fine but when I make a post that says YOU are a jerk because YOUR driver is this or that, then it becomes personal. Obviously the easiest way to avoid that situation is to remain on topic, which we try to remind everyone of.

I'm not going to remind everyone of the rules because for the most part everyone is aware of them and follows them quite well. We do get an occasional poster who thinks this forum is run like many others ... not so.

Thanks to all for keeping it clean and most importantly .... active.

[InTheWall]

I think so too

[Gr8RaceFan]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Again, a great driver is not made by talent, but statistically, and Jr dosen't have the satistics that fits the popularity. That's why alot of people think he is over-rated, and other people have different reasons. But you all have your opinions.

Stats dont MAKE anything, they just count specific things. They also dont stand alone, you have to look at the outliers for each of those categories. Such as same 10 years, same experience level, same life events, same failed motors, blown tires, and/or pit stop mishaps for example. I like Jr but I like many of the drivers and rarely am I disappointed in who wins. (Unless their name is Gordon or Busch ) When I pick drivers that I really "like" it is usually based on a few different things......like who would I want to spend an average day with. I think it would be great fun to spend the day with Jr. or Tony or Jeff Burton or Elliott. It has nothing to do with their stats. Matt has awesome stats but to me he is BORING!! Kevin Harvick is putting up awesome stats.....I am not a fan nor will I ever be. (His wife wont remove her hat during the National Anthem ) So if stats is your thing..........pick your driver that way, but be careful...........you can often skew the results to fit your opinion.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Gr8RaceFan

Stats dont MAKE anything, they just count specific things. They also dont stand alone, you have to look at the outliers for each of those categories. Such as same 10 years, same experience level, same life events, same failed motors, blown tires, and/or pit stop mishaps for example. I like Jr but I like many of the drivers and rarely am I disappointed in who wins. (Unless their name is Gordon or Busch ) When I pick drivers that I really "like" it is usually based on a few different things......like who would I want to spend an average day with. I think it would be great fun to spend the day with Jr. or Tony or Jeff Burton or Elliott. It has nothing to do with their stats. Matt has awesome stats but to me he is BORING!! Kevin Harvick is putting up awesome stats.....I am not a fan nor will I ever be. (His wife wont remove her hat during the National Anthem ) So if stats is your thing..........pick your driver that way, but be careful...........you can often skew the results to fit your opinion.

no, I don't pick my driver based on stats. I became a Gordon fan when he first started in NASCAR. I was a Sr fan because I liked his driving style. What I'm saying is he is over-rated based on what the fans expect of him, then the stats he puts up. If he dosen't meet the expectations his fans and the media have for him, it means 1 thing. Over-rated

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Passionate, overrated, overhyped ...... whatever. First things first. A few mentions of Mike24 and his passion for his driver. Mike has made a nice adjustment from the '06 season to this one and for those of us who were witness to last years threads are very impressed with the change. Great job Mike.

I've mentioned it once or twice.... and I'll say it again. He's gotten alot better at the game

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I've mentioned it once or twice.... and I'll say it again. He's gotten alot better at the game

But then again, we aren't pounding on his driver like we did last year, at least not yet.

But I did remove my "when it's crying time, Jeff Gordon rises to the occasion" signature as per Ross' request to keep everyone happy. Now I just gotta come up with a new one.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

But I did remove my "when it's crying time, Jeff Gordon rises to the occasion" signature as per Ross' request to keep everyone happy. Now I just gotta come up with a new one.

That stinks... I thought it was funny myself.

[Team Yates]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

But then again, we aren't pounding on his driver like we did last year, at least not yet.

But I did remove my "when it's crying time, Jeff Gordon rises to the occasion" signature as per Ross' request to keep everyone happy. Now I just gotta come up with a new one.

I agree with Q, that stinks!!

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

But then again, we aren't pounding on his driver like we did last year, at least not yet.

But I did remove my "when it's crying time, Jeff Gordon rises to the occasion" signature as per Ross' request to keep everyone happy. Now I just gotta come up with a new one.

lol. I thought that was kinda funny....

[casa]

Originally Posted by gordons#1fan

The truthful answer is hell YES! Why? Well that is for you to decide. All i know is i am sick of all the attention he gets as the sports fav. What has he ever done? NADA.

I haven't visited here in while and have not viewed the topics. As I clicked on this one it did not suprise me in the least that someone with the name gordon's#1fan was the one that started this thread.

[casa]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Oh man, I don't know where to start on Jr being over-rated. But I will give a nice dose of my opinion.

Jr is the most over-rated driver in NASCAR history, and we can go as far as saying in Auto racing history. The guy is NOT THAT GOOD as people make him out to be. He dosen't have the drive, he got popular because of Dale Sr's death, which just saddens me because it was something he couldn't control, and I know Sr wanted Jr to earn the popularity, not get it handed to him. Jr has not been that impressive as people make him out to be. He has 2 wins combined in 05-06. Now please, tell me that being the most popular driver, 2 wins combined in 05-06 is not over-rated?

Until Dale Jr wins a championship, he is too popular not to be considered over-rated.

What bothers me is that people say that Junior became popular because his father died. At the time his father died Junior was just getting started in the Nextel cup. It wasn't like he had been there for years and then his father died and he became popular. Yes, there were people who transferred their loyalty to the son when the father died, but you can't blame that on him. Personally, I was not a big NASCAR fan until Dale, Sr. died. I became a Dale, Jr. fan because of the the classy way he handled himself after his father died and he has not disappointed me since. I personally think that being a driver for DEI is holding him back. If he would leave and go to Childress or somewhere else he would do much better. It only makes me respect him more that he is trying to stick with the company that his father started rather than leave and have more success. So many of the negative comments that he gets are because people are jealous because he may get more publicity than their driver. He was born an Earnhardt and can't change that. I am sure that he would gladly give all of his popularity if he could have his dad back. He has had to handle the loss of his father in a very public way and try to continue on in his career. Shame on the people who choose to be tacky cause he might be more popular than their driver.

[DEI]

Jr is well liked, not overated....know one says Jr will win 30 races every year

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by casa

What bothers me is that people say that Junior became popular because his father died. At the time his father died Junior was just getting started in the Nextel cup. It wasn't like he had been there for years and then his father died and he became popular. Yes, there were people who transferred their loyalty to the son when the father died, but you can't blame that on him. Personally, I was not a big NASCAR fan until Dale, Sr. died. I became a Dale, Jr. fan because of the the classy way he handled himself after his father died and he has not disappointed me since. I personally think that being a driver for DEI is holding him back. If he would leave and go to Childress or somewhere else he would do much better. It only makes me respect him more that he is trying to stick with the company that his father started rather than leave and have more success. So many of the negative comments that he gets are because people are jealous because he may get more publicity than their driver. He was born an Earnhardt and can't change that. I am sure that he would gladly give all of his popularity if he could have his dad back. He has had to handle the loss of his father in a very public way and try to continue on in his career. Shame on the people who choose to be tacky cause he might be more popular than their driver.

Well the sad part is it's true. Jr got his popularity off of Sr's death, and it wasn't in Jr's control at all. Sr would have wanted Jr to earn his fans like he, Gordon, Stewart ,etc have all earned.

I'm really not bothered if Jr is popular than my driver. I look at his expectations, and the stats he has put up. If the stats hasn't met any of the expectations, yet he still receives hype and a ton of expectations, then that means he is over-rated and over-hyped.

Maybe he should go to a company like Childress, so we can see him in top equipment, and see how he does? As long as he stays with DEI, he dosen't have the best opportunity to win a championship.