[PenelopePitStop]

As most of you know, I am new here. This topic may have been covered when the rule was first implemented, but I've got to know ...

What do "we" think about the "Lucky-Dog Pass"? Feel free to point me to another string if you know of one.

PPS

[wingkey1]

Ah what da heck -- Me thinks it could be done away with.

Initially implemented to curtail some really questionable (stupid?) "racing" back to the line it had the odor of sensibility for a period of time. With the advent of "scoring loops", the hugely obvious yellow flashing lanterns around the track, the teams communicating "caution" to their drivers - well just seems to me the tools are there to freeze frame the running order without the free giveback. That almost make sense?

Some however will see it as preserving/amplifying a "race within the race" as the lap downers compete against one another for the "lucky dog". I dunno. Can't get here in this little mind of mine. Not saying I'm right, just can't work with this view.

Then there's those who support - if I throw it (say for instance roll bar padding) out the window and don't get caught - walla!! - lucky dog.

I understood/accepted/condoned/blessed it at inception even while feeling noone should be gifted with (effectively) a full lap, but do believe it can safely be done away with.

Please do not get me wrong - not suggesting a return to race back to the yellow. That did and will get ugly.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

As most of you know, I am new here. This topic may have been covered when the rule was first implemented, but I've got to know ...

What do "we" think about the "Lucky-Dog Pass"? Feel free to point me to another string if you know of one.

PPS

I'll start by saying I don't really mind the lucky dog, but I'd rather it not be in place. The reason we have this "lucky dog" rule today I think is partially because of the X genaration of drivers we now have in the sport.

Back in the day (here we go again), the lucky dog was known as the Gentleman's agreement. This was something the new crop of drivers couldn't handle on their own. After much controversy and many near misses in 2003, NASCAR had to step in. I wish we still had the gentleman's agreement, but as I said, the sport is changing and today's drivers just can't handle it.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

I'll start by saying I don't really mind the lucky dog, but I'd rather it not be in place. The reason we have this "lucky dog" rule today I think is partially because of the X genaration of drivers we now have in the sport.

Back in the day (here we go again), the lucky dog was known as the Gentleman's agreement. This was something the new crop of drivers couldn't handle on their own. After much controversy and many near misses in 2003, NASCAR had to step in. I wish we still had the gentleman's agreement, but as I said, the sport is changing and today's drivers just can't handle it.

Neat perspective. Thank you.

[PenelopePitStop]

Ah, yes. The "Gentleman's Agreement". That went the way of the Edsel, didn't it?

This also makes me consider the recent rule that the field is frozen when the caution is waved. No more racing back to the yellow flag. Good or bad? I don't know.

My, how things have changed!

Remember when there wasn't a speed limit in the pits? When I watch nostalgic racing footage and see these guys go hauling a$$ in and out of the pits, I just about have a heart attack.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

Back in the day (here we go again), the lucky dog was known as the Gentleman's agreement.

i believe BBW is referring to where drivers didnt race back to yellow just to keep someone a lap down

i agree "we" shouldnt need the rule.....but it seems today people may be a little more greedy

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Ah, yes. The "Gentleman's Agreement". That went the way of the Edsel, didn't it?

This also makes me consider the recent rule that the field is frozen when the caution is waved. No more racing back to the yellow flag. Good or bad? I don't know.

My, how things have changed!

Remember when there wasn't a speed limit in the pits? When I watch nostalgic racing footage and see these guys go hauling a$$ in and out of the pits, I just about have a heart attack.

No more racing back to the yellow flag. Good or bad? - kinda got that "bad" stigma when the reason for the caution was at/near/just beyond the start/finish line. Cars dead on the track with a pack racing to be the first back to the line. Not a good scene. Dale Jarrett (somebody help me here) was I believe near terminated in just such a scenario. He was involved somehow I'm quite sure. Just can't recall whether he was the "Wrecker" or the Wreckee".

In the "way back when" one could see (I did) the Gentlemans Agreement as a "come on back to the lead lap, I want to beat ya straight up". Day of the single car teams.

Multi-car teams arrived. Then it started to have the look and feel of team orders. Ugh!

[PenelopePitStop]

Wingkey1,

"In the "way back when" one could see (I did) the Gentlemans Agreement as a "come on back to the lead lap, I want to beat ya straight up". Day of the single car teams." Interesting perspective. I remember when the leader would let off to let a car a lap down get his lap back. Wasn't all that long ago. I was only two

[LSC9901]

Another feature of the gentlemens agreement that stunk was when a team mate was a lap down but right behind you. You could race to the line but allow that driver to beat you when if it were someone from another team you'd keep them behind you.

I agree that today with all the technology (scoring loops) there is no real need for the lucky dog. It has nothing to do with RACING. If you're a lap down there is a reason for it. As long as everyone is aware that there is no advantage to race back to the flag, since the scoring loops rule, they probably would just let off the gas and let technology do its thing.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

No more racing back to the yellow flag. Good or bad? - kinda got that "bad" stigma when the reason for the caution was at/near/just beyond the start/finish line. Cars dead on the track with a pack racing to be the first back to the line. Not a good scene. Dale Jarrett (somebody help me here) was I believe near terminated in just such a scenario. He was involved somehow I'm quite sure. Just can't recall whether he was the "Wrecker" or the Wreckee".

In the "way back when" one could see (I did) the Gentlemans Agreement as a "come on back to the lead lap, I want to beat ya straight up". Day of the single car teams.

Multi-car teams arrived. Then it started to have the look and feel of team orders. Ugh!

DJ was was the wreckee.... he was on the front strecth inbetween turn 4 and the start finish line... at martinsville I think... and all the young drivers(big busch, newman etc) and the other a$$holes where racing 2 and 3 wide and damn near plowed him. As BBW said.... the new crowd couldn't handle the gentlemens agreement.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Quality88

DJ was was the wreckee.... he was on the front strecth inbetween turn 4 and the start finish line... at martinsville I think... and all the young drivers(big busch, newman etc) and the other a$$holes where racing 2 and 3 wide and damn near plowed him. As BBW said.... the new crowd couldn't handle the gentlemens agreement.

While I'm all for gentlemens agreements I'm sure with all the "Knausing" that goes on today you can understand why, when there is no written rule, they don't adhere to it.

[PenelopePitStop]

Interesting that folks think the new guys can't handle the "Gentlemans Agreement". What does that say about the evolution of the sport? Sad. I guess it's all about money now, huh?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Interesting that folks think the new guys can't handle the "Gentlemans Agreement". What does that say about the evolution of the sport? Sad. I guess it's all about money now, huh?

DAMN... you've hit the nail on the head.

[PenelopePitStop]

Quality88,

Did I? I don't know ... NASCAR has become such a popular and profitable sport, I'd just hate to see the core destroyed.

[Souporscotty]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Quality88,

Did I? I don't know ... NASCAR has become such a popular and profitable sport, I'd just hate to see the core destroyed.

The core crumbles as we speak. There's a reason we all call it NA$CAR.