[PenelopePitStop]

Does anyone know where the Goodwrench sponsorship of the 29 went? I thought the Penzoil sponsorship was only for the Daytona 500 ... apparently not.

I'm too lazy to do my own research, and thought you experts would know!

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Does anyone know where the Goodwrench sponsorship of the 29 went? I thought the Penzoil sponsorship was only for the Daytona 500 ... apparently not.

I'm too lazy to do my own research, and thought you experts would know!

GM good wrench either pulled sponsorship or went to an associate sponsor. We're pretty sure it's due to financial issues.

[candlejack]

I went to the KH fan website and it says that GM Goodwrench is an associate sponsor, not the primary anymore.

[PenelopePitStop]

Interesting. Thank you.

I wonder if Goodwrench pulled out because of Harvick and his behavior. No offense to any Harvick fans, but I don't think they would have pulled back if Sr. was still in the car.

Just curious ... given the friction with Jr. and Theresa, would anyone support putting Jr. in the old, black, Goodwrench number 3?

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Interesting. Thank you.

I wonder if Goodwrench pulled out because of Harvick and his behavior. No offense to any Harvick fans, but I don't think they would have pulled back if Sr. was still in the car.

Just curious ... given the friction with Jr. and Theresa, would anyone support putting Jr. in the old, black, Goodwrench number 3?

No, I wouldn't. I think the 3 should be retired. Any driver for that matter that was killed in an accident in racing should have their numbers retired so no one can drive them. To me it's kinda disrespectful, but that's me.

[PenelopePitStop]

I agree. It would be nice to see that ol' #3 back on the track, but I guess those days are over.

I watch the Speed channel, and see that 3, either Wrangler or Goodwrench, out on the track, and it makes me smile.

I've even seen the 3 in footage of "Days of Thunder". Seen it? Good movie, but very unrealistic. If drivers behaved as portrayed in that movie, they would be SO booted off the track.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Interesting. Thank you.

I wonder if Goodwrench pulled out because of Harvick and his behavior.

My personal believe is it has more to due with the current state of General Motors at the moment. You can only go so many quarters being BILLIONS in the red and not start severe cost cutting measures.

Just curious ... given the friction with Jr. and Theresa, would anyone support putting Jr. in the old, black, Goodwrench number 3?

I like Jr. a lot, so I will support him even if he drives a fork lift. His bow after that spectacular engine blowup and consequent spin yesterday is just another reason to like him. He made the most of a bad situation.

[PenelopePitStop]

Navadastars,

LOL! I also will support Lil' E regardless of what he drives.

Yes, he does seem to be more gracious as of late, doesn't he? He gets wrecked, he smiles. He wrecks someone else, he takes responsibility and he admits he screwed up. His engine blows, he bows.

What a class act!

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

Interesting. Thank you.

I wonder if Goodwrench pulled out because of Harvick and his behavior. No offense to any Harvick fans, but I don't think they would have pulled back if Sr. was still in the car.

Just curious ... given the friction with Jr. and Theresa, would anyone support putting Jr. in the old, black, Goodwrench number 3?

A brain cell fired off on this (All pray it's not the last - and the gathering responded - Amen!) and the brain cell said - Goodwrench sponsored only one (Major sponsor) GM team. Almost seems more appropriate that it/they would be supportive across all GM based teams. Hey if nothin' else it would be like putting money on the majority of the numbers on a roulette wheel. And the winna is --- driver says - Thanks to all my sponsors and Goodwrench is included. With the absence of E Sr. it would be "easier" to think in those terms (for GM).

Hmmm --- Little E in the 3. Well it does at least rhyme. It would have its moments of "cool". I could see more than one tear in the eye at the track that this first occured at. Could see it in mine. One of these days I'll tell the story of E Sr. and my oldest son.

Couple thoughts. The way Childress has rebounded, I'd like to see what Little E could do with the right equipment and team. Not clear to me that he has that just now. The OTHER side of that coin is maybe it would go bad for Little E if it went poorly, or less than anticipated in the 3. Personally, I'd like to see what he's got.

[PenelopePitStop]

wingkey1,

Wow! Very good!

Help me to understand this ...

The number 3 and Goodwrench sponsorship was "owned" by Richard Childress. Correct?

DEI was owned by Dale Sr. and Theresa, and Jr. drove for that team. Correct? The controversy between Jr. and Theresa has me very confused. Who owns what?

What do you mean by share your story of E Sr. and your oldest son?

[LSC9901]

DEI is owned by Teresa by default. Obviuosly when E. Sr. died she got the whole company because she was/is the wife. Jr is no longer content being just a driver for the company. He feels he should be a majority owner. His current contract is up at the end of this season.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

DEI is owned by Teresa by default. Obviuosly when E. Sr. died she got the whole company because she was/is the wife. Jr is no longer content being just a driver for the company. He feels he should be a majority owner. His current contract is up at the end of this season.

Even if he goes to Childress, Jr won't drive the 3. I was watching a interview with Childress the other day, and he said he has no plans for anyone to drive the 3, and he dosen't want to see it, and he thinks the fans dosen't either, which I don't want to see it. With that being said, if Jr leaves DEI, he will most likely go to RCR and drive some other car, but if Hendrick or Roush gives Jr a HUGE offer, which they can with the money they have, Jr may change his decision based on money. We will have to wait and see.

[PenelopePitStop]

LSC9901,

I see. Thanks. Interesting. I won't bring up another highly publicized debate, but do you know if Dale had a will? I personally think Jr. and Theresa should own DEI equally. Dale's other three kids should also have a part if they choose to. However, if Jr.'s driving career is inhibited, I think he should jump over to Childress, but still have part ownership of DEI.

Oh, boy! Things get complicated, don't they?

[PenelopePitStop]

Mike24,

Again, interesting. I've also heard reports that Childress will not have another 3. He owns that number, doesn't he?

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by PenelopePitStop

wingkey1,

Wow! Very good!

Help me to understand this ...

The number 3 and Goodwrench sponsorship was "owned" by Richard Childress. Correct?

DEI was owned by Dale Sr. and Theresa, and Jr. drove for that team. Correct? The controversy between Jr. and Theresa has me very confused. Who owns what?

What do you mean by share your story of E Sr. and your oldest son?

"3" is "in the custody of" RCR. NASCAR has definition of this and allows defined periods of inactivity (of a number) afterwhich time the number becomes available to others. I sense that in the case of the 3, this "custody" has been extended unofficialy. Even if this perception/reality of extension was not the case, the team that stepped in and "claimed" the 3 based on the "rule of inactivity" would likely be the object of "tar and feather".

With regard to the Goodwrench sponsorship, it always becomes a question (to me anyway) of who owns who. I see it as Goodwrench and Childress were both priviledged (one to the other) to have an association that included one Mr. Earnhardt. Suppose in the best cases it is a relationship of mutual benefit.

With regards to who owns how much of DEI - anyone (outside of the lawyers and participants in the definitions in the will) that comments on this is foolish / guessing / applying rules of generic and/or commonly accepted distribution. Fact is - noone herre (This forum) really knows. Some fool may say - "but Jayski said" (or other similar) - confirming their foolishness.

And then there's E Sr. and my oldest son. There will be a thread for which this is appropriate. I may even start it. It would be "off thread" here.