[simple simon]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

Yeah, but that was back when hard work paid off in a big way.

see now i disagree with that totally

in my opinion back then hard work was much less of it

back then 10% of the drivers had 90% of the money and best equipment

Petty Pearson and them constantly got top 5's because of their far superior equipment not talent as i see it

just my opinion though

now i think it is based much more on driver talent

drivers like JG, Tony Stewart, Jimmy Johnson and Kenseth are just that much better then the rest.....the equipment has little to do with it

[Yelk]

Originally Posted by Bigblockhead

I am tired of the over regulation of NASCAR on the teams. I am bored by cars that must be equal. Have to fit a template shape. Must run a restrictor plate. Can't run a hot fuel. On and On.

Lets get back to real racing. The fastest, best handling car. Whoever is it is. Just make it exciting.

I would love to see any team just blow the rest away.

I'm bored.

Only your first post and you learn fast what's cool to say on a message board. Seems you like boring but you don't like boring?

As for being tired of the over regulation of NASCAR on teams, seems like you would be better off to move on and find another sport to follow.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by simple simon

see now i disagree with that totally

in my opinion back then hard work was much less of it

back then 10% of the drivers had 90% of the money and best equipment

Petty Pearson and them constantly got top 5's because of their far superior equipment not talent as i see it

just my opinion though

now i think it is based much more on driver talent

drivers like JG, Tony Stewart, Jimmy Johnson and Kenseth are just that much better then the rest.....the equipment has little to do with it

I see what you're saying and I do agree, but I think we are talking about a difference in eras. It was all about work from the 50s to mid 60s. Yeah, you had guys like Lee Petty, Tim Flock, Curtis Turner and Marshall Teague winning races, but they would also be beaten many times by the likes of Frank Mundy, Lou Figaro, Danny Weinberg and Dick Rathmann, guys most people have never even heard of. It was like this for years in the beginning, until races started paying more, the schedule was spread more across the country and equipment was harder to come by. The "superstars" if those days began to separtate from that list of unkowns. But even as the sport progressed into the days of Richard Petty, Cale Yarborough and Bobby Allison, you would still see some of the hard working teams having success, such as Charlie Glotzbach. You are right though, since then, it's been rare to see a team win a race on hard work alone.

[Bigblockhead]

I think with open competition the teams of today would be more competitive. No one would be lapping like Petty. That is when he had the hemi wing car (I think). Thanks for the responses.

[simple simon]

what is it you mean by open competition ?

do you mean very few rules ........ basically show up with what you got and may the best team win ?

i think that is a very very bad idea

Bill Elliot turned in 212 mph in 1988.......now we can only imagine what speeds they would be reaching and how many more people would have died getting there

add to more speed i think maybe some teams may have added larger fuel cells if the rules allowed ?...........one less pit stop in a race could make a huge difference i think

[Bigblockhead]

Open Competition. Race with what you got. The track configurations will limit the speeds.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Bigblockhead

Open Competition. Race with what you got. The track configurations will limit the speeds.

im sorry to be so disagreeable when you just got here......but i do disagree

everyone would think they could handle it......you cant take Daytona in a car that can go 240mph....but i can

deaths would be certain

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by Bigblockhead

Open Competition. Race with what you got. The track configurations will limit the speeds.

This may be ok if what you got is right off the showroom floor. ya think?

[simple simon]

how about if they use bursts of nitrous on the backstretch ?

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by simple simon

how about if they use bursts of nitrous on the backstretch ?

only if it is on every car they sale at the dealership.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

only if it is on every car they sale at the dealership.

but i thought he wanted no holds barred open to anything racing ?

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by simple simon

but i thought he wanted no holds barred open to anything racing ?

he may I don't I want stock car racing pulse safety

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by simple simon

im sorry to be so disagreeable when you just got here......but i do disagree

everyone would think they could handle it......you cant take Daytona in a car that can go 240mph....but i can

deaths would be certain

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Just for the sake of discussion I would ask what about Indy cars. They do 240 MPH and their safety record would appear to be comparable to that of NASCAR's. I look at open wheel cars as less safe than NASCAR cars so why not allow higher speeds ?

Again this is just for further discussion.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

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Again this is just for further discussion.

np dude, you know i welcome the discussion

i agree open wheel cars are more dangerous jus for the fact that there is no room for rubbing

if you rub you will likely flip

but.....of course there's a but......i think overall they are safer for 2 reasons

they have the wings to keep them on the track at higher speeds, and the cars break up on impact to greatly lessen the blow

while many NASCAR drivers are carted away after a wreck many Indy car drivers walk away

[Gr8RaceFan]

Originally Posted by simple simon

how about if they use bursts of nitrous on the backstretch ?

Perhaps they could "burst" as they "bump draft".....picture that for a moment.