[oncea3fan]

taken a turn off of scottys dropping a track.
what track would you renovate (track not stands) and what would you do to it .

POCONO I would put steep banking in turn 1, releave that hard hit you get there, the cars would carry more speed through that turn but have more braking going into turn 2 which is more of a dogleg to slow the cars down going to turn 3. so the lap would be stand on it down the front stretch and through 1 start slowing up for 2 and then slow up more for 3. then stand on it again down the front stretch.


LOUNDEN I would reduce the size to the nieghbor hood of 3/4 mile. add veriable banking.


CALIFORIA bulldoze it and plant grapes

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

CALIFORIA bulldoze it and plant grapes

I love that idea. We could use my dad's 350B CASE. Small dozer so it would take longer and you could enjoy the fun

[Bob Tanner]

It's not exactly a renovation, but I think it's a MUCH-needed change:

Bring the Labour Day race back to Darlington, where it belongs.

[Lefturn]

I'd bring back the OLD Atlanta.

I would make Loudon a 'Dirt Oval'

[oncea3fan]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

It's not exactly a renovation, but I think it's a MUCH-needed change:

Bring the Labour Day race back to Darlington, where it belongs.

Well we would certainly have to move the race somewhere after we tear cali up with quality's dads dozer.

might the cali spring race should go to north wilkesboro, under the light

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

Well we would certainly have to move the race somewhere after we tear cali up with quality's dads dozer.

might the cali spring race should go to north wilkesboro, under the light

Please don't get me wrong; I'd love to see NASCAR return to both N. Wilsboro and Rockingham. However, reality is reality and neither of those sites are what NASCAR, nor its new fans, want. They firmly believe that for NASCAR's good (not necessarily stock car racing's good) racing has to be in a major TV market venue. That's the way it's going to be, like it or not. (The Rapists' Rule applies here, I believe; "Just shut up lay back, and try to enjoy it!")

How about taking it out of the entire Los Angeles area, where like New York City, baseball, basketball, football and taco stands reign supreme. Try moving it to a place with a solid history of a love of motor sports, has supported major races in the past, and isn't inundated with other major league sports competition?

My vote would be to build a good, innovative 3/4-mile track in the Portland, OR area. Right now NASCAR is salivating over a spot of land between Vancouver and Seattle. It's only my personal thought but does NASCAR really want to put a track in an area where people don't sun tan; they rust? IF they go to Seattle I foresee a lot of races run on Monday or cancelled altogether. Also, to me, there is just something slightly out of focus about a city where the coffee houses outnumber the bars almost two to one.

[oncea3fan]

I love the idea of a new short track, but yes in a rainy part of the country doersn't make sense.

you know ? the "T.V. market really doesn't make sense to me since tv can broadcast from anywhere to anywhere. with TV reaching millions who cares where the race actually has long as it's good racing. wearther there is 35,000 people or 100,000 people doesn't really make a bleep on the radar compared to the TV fans.

am I m,issing something here.

we whatch bristol and daytona, not because we live there but because the racing is exciting.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

I love the idea of a new short track, but yes in a rainy part of the country doersn't make sense.
you know ? the "T.V. market really doesn't make sense to me since tv can broadcast from anywhere to anywhere. with TV reaching millions who cares where the race actually has long as it's good racing. wearther there is 35,000 people or 100,000 people doesn't really make a bleep on the radar compared to the TV fans.
am I m,issing something here.
we whatch bristol and daytona, not because we live there but because the racing is exciting.

The magic word is advertising. There are more people in a major market to buy the stuff they schlock during the commercials. IF the tracks are in a major TV market, it is seen as more people in that market will watch the local event, thus buy more schlocked merchandise.

It ain't about racing; it's all about successful marketing.

[oncea3fan]

but isn't the at any place in which the tv is tuned to the race channel

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

but isn't the at any place in which the tv is tuned to the race channel

I think you have to completely disassociate yourself from the role of a race fan to get the picture, NASCAR-wise.

From Brian France's point of view, NASCAR isn't a sport, it's stictly a commodity, ready to be sold to consumers who believe that they need it.

Major league sports are like franchise food joints; McDonalds, Burger King, Carls Junior/Hardees, etc., etc. They are basically the same thing, it's just that for some reason different ones appeal to different people. The secret is to put them in a spot where there is high volume traffic and more people are exposed to the product. These are the major metro areas, which, incidentally, are also the major TV markets. This is where the TV advertising to major markets come in.

All this is why they aren't in N. Wilsboro, Rockingham, Hickory or the smaller areas anymore. Bristol and Martinsville (both are in areas saturated by NASCAR tracks and both are basically rural) are anomalies and I'm betting if Seattle or New York come on line, Martinsville'll lose a date.

That's my take on it, anyway. To understand NA$CAR's current rationale you can't think like a race fan; you have to get into a bean-counter/MBA-type mentality.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I think you have to completely disassociate yourself from the role of a race fan to get the picture, NASCAR-wise.

From Brian France's point of view, NASCAR isn't a sport, it's stictly a commodity, ready to be sold to consumers who believe that they need it.

Major league sports are like franchise food joints; McDonalds, Burger King, Carls Junior/Hardees, etc., etc. They are basically the same thing, it's just that for some reason different ones appeal to different people. The secret is to put them in a spot where there is high volume traffic and more people are exposed to the product. These are the major metro areas, which, incidentally, are also the major TV markets. This is where the TV advertising to major markets come in.

All this is why they aren't in N. Wilsboro, Rockingham, Hickory or the smaller areas anymore. Bristol and Martinsville (both are in areas saturated by NASCAR tracks and both are basically rural) are anomalies and I'm betting if Seattle or New York come on line, Martinsville'll lose a date.

That's my take on it, anyway. To understand NA$CAR's current rationale you can't think like a race fan; you have to get into a bean-counter/MBA-type mentality.

In short ... it is all about the money !!!

[Quality88]

Seattle and New York are dead..... for now.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Seattle and New York are dead..... for now.

Maybe they could build a short track in what will soon be the former Yankee Stadium !!!

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Maybe they could build a short track in what will soon be the former Yankee Stadium !!!

That would pi$$ off my buddy from New Jersey. If it didn't screw over Kentucky then I wouldn't mind it. Then again Kentucky is just gettin the runaround from Na$car so I guess it would be okay then.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Maybe they could build a short track in what will soon be the former Yankee Stadium !!!

Getting haulers into the area of The Bronx where Yankee Stadium is would be a trip. I wonder how funny the sponsors would think it was when their haulers got tagged with gang signs?