[Souporscotty]

What I think NA$CAR should do (Like anybody's gonna listen to me), when they have a Cup race on the West coast, have a Busch race on the East coast. Just don't put both series in the same place at the same time. Spread the 'Product' around. I live in Illinois. If the Cup race is in Texas, and the Busch race is in Chicago, guess what race I'm more likely to attend.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

What I think NA$CAR should do (Like anybody's gonna listen to me), when they have a Cup race on the West coast, have a Busch race on the East coast. Just don't put both series in the same place at the same time. Spread the 'Product' around. I live in Illinois. If the Cup race is in Texas, and the Busch race is in Chicago, guess what race I'm more likely to attend.

That is a logical idea. I like it. You know I'd go back to old school style in a heartbeat. Back when the Busch Series was just getting started, the Cup series was racing in places like Atlanta, Talledega or Riverside, the Busch series was in Hickory, South Boston and Rougemont. You could even go back to the Sportsman days to find that type of thing. Now, how do we get NASCAR to pay for the lesser series?

[LSC9901]

Some one mentioned a while back that everything that we demand here on this forum is what we get so we should be careful of what we demand. Lets demand some good old days racing and see what happens.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Some one mentioned a while back that everything that we demand here on this forum is what we get so we should be careful of what we demand. Lets demand some good old days racing and see what happens.

I'm with Ya .

[Souporscotty]

I'm still DEMANDING for several million dollars. Dang it. is this the right board?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

I'm still DEMANDING for several million dollars. Dang it. is this the right board?

OK Scotty here is the deal. I live in Nigeria and we've got too much money here. I'm going to send you a check for $2 million. Just send me your account number and I'll deposit it directly. All you need to do is send me $30,000.00 back. If you're interested just send me your account info. Sound good ?

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Yelk

What happened to the race fan first crapolla? Seems some favor the popular message board bashing than what they said in other posts(race fan first). Come on folks! Which is it?

The whole issue boils down to what people want/expect the Busch Series to be. Do you want it to be a warm-up for the week's "real" race, so to speak? Then you want to see the Cup guys go down there and work out the kinks. Or do you want to watch new driver develop and watch what is essentially a minor-league circuit? People differ as to what they want to see as fans. Yelk, which would you rather see the Busch series as -- a warm-up or a minor league?

[trollmc08]

I tryed to stay out of this one but I can't.
#1- I do agree cup driver should have to spend time (at least 2 years 3 would be OK.) in Bush before running in cup.
#2- I don't think the cup regulars should receive any points or winnings when running Bush.
#3- If you eliminated cup drivers from Bush you will cut off the best learning tool the Bush guys have.
#4- I do think there should be a limit on how many Bush races each cup driver can run.
#5- I think the cup cars and Bush cars should have enough differences that track/race information WILL NOT transfer over to cup cars. Then any cup driver that ran Bush would run it just to be Racing.

[Mike24]

Yes, I still care alot. What this comes down to is NASCAR banning Cup drivers from running in Busch races. I think this needs to happen, and Busch racing will be more exciting watching young up and coming talents racing for wins and championships than Cup guys taking win after win. But if this dosen't happen, I could care less because we know a cup driver will win.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

I try ed to stay out of this one but I can't.
#1- I do agree cup driver should have to spend time (at least 2 years 3 would be OK.) in Bush before running in cup.
#2- I don't think the cup regulars should receive any points or winnings when running Bush.
#3- If you eliminated cup drivers from Bush you will cut off the best learning tool the Bush guys have.
#4- I do think there should be a limit on how many Bush races each cup driver can run.
#5- I think the cup cars and Bush cars should have enough differences that track/race information WILL NOT transfer over to cup cars. Then any cup driver that ran Bush would run it just to be Racing.

hmmm.... interesting.... very very interesting.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Yes, I still care alot. What this comes down to is NASCAR banning Cup drivers from running in Busch races. I think this needs to happen, and Busch racing will be more exciting watching young up and coming talents racing for wins and championships than Cup guys taking win after win. But if this dosen't happen, I could care less because we know a cup driver will win.

Heya, Mike, welcome back! Must say I agree totally... I'd love to see the Busch remain strickly NASCAR's version of Triple-A baseball. Once a guy gets a Nextel ride, he should race Nextel only (except maybe trucks).

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

I tryed to stay out of this one but I can't.
#1- I do agree cup driver should have to spend time (at least 2 years 3 would be OK.) in Bush before running in cup.
#2- I don't think the cup regulars should receive any points or winnings when running Bush.
#3- If you eliminated cup drivers from Bush you will cut off the best learning tool the Bush guys have.
#4- I do think there should be a limit on how many Bush races each cup driver can run.
#5- I think the cup cars and Bush cars should have enough differences that track/race information WILL NOT transfer over to cup cars. Then any cup driver that ran Bush would run it just to be Racing.

Unlike you Troll I never stay out of this discussion, and I would also like to add my opinions to yours. As always my opinion is just that ... an opinion.

With that said I don't see that there should be a time limit on how long a driver must be in the Busch series. If Rousch Racing want to take a chance with someone who has one year of experience in Busch I think that is his option. I would also add that if a driver enters the cup series and does nothing but cause accidents then maybe some authority should step in and say hey .... he needs more experience before getting into this level.Tough line to draw.

I have no problem with the big boys getting no points or $. That would surely keep them away. Actual test sessions would probably be cheaper.


Not sure that cutting out cup drivers would eliminate the best learning tool for the Busch series drivers. As always I like to revert to baseball as an example. The major league players are not there to be a learning tool in the minors. You don't make it out of the minors until someone thinks you're ready. Should be the same for the Busch drivers. Granted they will not be as good as the cup drivers, but they should have all the basics in hand when they get there.

I won't argue totally against the statement that the cars should/could be different so that there is no transfer of info to the cup drivers ... BUT... how will they learn about the cup cars if they don't drive something similar.

Keep in mind nothing you've said is wrong. I'm just stating an opinion to further the discussion.

[Yelk]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

The whole issue boils down to what people want/expect the Busch Series to be. Do you want it to be a warm-up for the week's "real" race, so to speak? Then you want to see the Cup guys go down there and work out the kinks. Or do you want to watch new driver develop and watch what is essentially a minor-league circuit? People differ as to what they want to see as fans. Yelk, which would you rather see the Busch series as -- a warm-up or a minor league?

What we have today in Busch is something that was started before the hated/evil Bryan took over NASCAR, so first, he can't be made the whipping post for this. The Busch Series evolved from the Late Model Sportsman Series which ran mainly on the local short tracks accross the South, save Daytona, The Rock, Darlington and a few others where Cup ran. In an effort to make the Busch Series more successful, NASCAR (not Bryan) did away with the short tracks and made most Busch races a companion race witho Cup, which brought more Cup drivers to Busch. Now, I don't think I'm smarter than the people who run NASCAR (because if I were, I'd have multi-millions) like so many who are unhappy with what they do (so many like to call it their opinions). If it were my opinion that everything was wrong with NASCAR as so many message board "experts", I'd have quit following it a long time ago. I don't "cotton" to ditto everything that posters think makes them sound cool or expert. Yeah, it's cool to bash NASCAR on message boards, because it's the thing to do. I call it...monkey see, monkey do.

Be careful of what you ask for...you just might get it!

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Yelk

What we have today in Busch is something that was started before the hated/evil Bryan took over NASCAR, so first, he can't be made the whipping post for this. The Busch Series evolved from the Late Model Sportsman Series which ran mainly on the local short tracks accross the South, save Daytona, The Rock, Darlington and a few others where Cup ran. In an effort to make the Busch Series more successful, NASCAR (not Bryan) did away with the short tracks and made most Busch races a companion race witho Cup, which brought more Cup drivers to Busch. Now, I don't think I'm smarter than the people who run NASCAR (because if I were, I'd have multi-millions) like so many who are unhappy with what they do (so many like to call it their opinions). If it were my opinion that everything was wrong with NASCAR as so many message board "experts", I'd have quit following it a long time ago. I don't "cotton" to ditto everything that posters think makes them sound cool or expert. Yeah, it's cool to bash NASCAR on message boards, because it's the thing to do. I call it...monkey see, monkey do.

Be careful of what you ask for...you just might get it!

Well, that's all well and good that you've got the whole nonconformist thing going for you, but that doesn't really answer my questions. In no way am I a NASCAR expert, as I've stated in the past, but I equate this issue to allowing Barry Bonds and Derek Jeter to play AAA baseball on their days off. On the one hand, it would help the larger governing body to a huge degree because it would allow the minor league ballgames to charge more for admission and draw more fans to the "minor league" product, while also helping these other guys warm-up for the game that matters, so to speak. On the other hand, it could stunt the development of the guys expected to be the future of Major League Baseball, and ultimately wind up hurting both products. I'm just curious which approach you, Yelk, as an individual (and for that matter, everyone else on the board) happen to favor?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

I'm just curious which approach you, Yelk, as an individual (and for that matter, everyone else on the board) happen to favor?

Yes... inquiring minds want to know.