[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Also with the effort to remain in the top 35 I see that as another reason to be more aware of your standings in the points and what you need to remain in that top 35 group. I dislike that top 35 issue anyway. Make it into the race only if you qualify. If you were last years champion and cannot cut the mustard for any given race .... tough. Too many gifts for those who aren't good enough to make it into the big game.

I would have to agree too.

[Yelk]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Also with the effort to remain in the top 35 I see that as another reason to be more aware of your standings in the points and what you need to remain in that top 35 group. I dislike that top 35 issue anyway. Make it into the race only if you qualify. If you were last years champion and cannot cut the mustard for any given race .... tough. Too many gifts for those who aren't good enough to make it into the big game.

Yeah, that sounds great and everyone would be happy. NOT! Can you imagine if, say Jr could not "cut the muster" and make a race????? Yeah, tough. People whould be then hollering for the top 35 or whatever, to be guarantied a starting position.

In other words, people are gonna b!tch an moan about whatever is done. That's what's so great about the internet, makes everyone an expert.

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by Yelk

Yeah, that sounds great and everyone would be happy. NOT! Can you imagine if, say Jr could not "cut the muster" and make a race????? Yeah, tough. People whould be then hollering for the top 35 or whatever, to be guarantied a starting position.

In other words, people are gonna b!tch an moan about whatever is done. That's what's so great about the internet, makes everyone an expert.

I am a JR. fan all the way back when he was in bush. Now if JR. can't "cut the mustard" then he shouldn't be on the track. just like any other driver that ant fast enough.

[Yelk]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

I am a JR. fan all the way back when he was in bush. Now if JR. can't "cut the mustard" then he shouldn't be on the track. just like any other driver that ant fast enough.

SURE! LOL

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Yelk

Yeah, that sounds great and everyone would be happy. NOT! Can you imagine if, say Jr could not "cut the muster" and make a race????? Yeah, tough. People whould be then hollering for the top 35 or whatever, to be guarantied a starting position.

In other words, people are gonna b!tch an moan about whatever is done. That's what's so great about the internet, makes everyone an expert.

I agree. "Driver fans" would have us believe that civilization as we know it, would cease to exist if "their driver" doesn't take the green flag. Most of these people are the same who would deny that NASCAR even existed prior to 11/15/92. (Jeffie-Pooh's Cup debut) I've seen multiple evidence of this watching the Legion of Red Army Ants begin to file out of the stands early in the race if their boy, Jr., wrecked or was in the pits for an extended amount of time.

"Race fans," OTOH, might moan a bit but, bottom line, we watch the racing for the action and the competition. We know that if one of the popular drivers doesn't start, it's of minor consequence because, guess what... they're still going to have a race. That's what counts in the long run.

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I agree. "Driver fans" would have us believe that civilization as we know it, would cease to exist if "their driver" doesn't take the green flag. Most of these people are the same who would deny that NASCAR even existed prior to 11/15/92. (Jeffie-Pooh's Cup debut) I've seen multiple evidence of this watching the Legion of Red Army Ants begin to file out of the stands early in the race if their boy, Jr., wrecked or was in the pits for an extended amount of time.

"Race fans," OTOH, might moan a bit but, bottom line, we watch the racing for the action and the competition. We know that if one of the popular drivers doesn't start, it's of minor consequence because, guess what... they're still going to have a race. That's what counts in the long run.

Thank you Bob. I couldn't said it better my self.

[clutch]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

. Everone mark the time and date; this may not happen again. (g)

That could start another debate LOL

It may look as if you are 6 hours ahead of me but of course its me thats 18 ahead of you........but some say its lightyears

[Quality88]

I have only quit watchin a race once when DJ went out early. I was recovering from a killer hangover.

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I have only quit watchin a race once when DJ went out early. I was recovering from a killer hangover.

well Q, that would be totally understandable given your situation at the time.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Yelk

Yeah, that sounds great and everyone would be happy. NOT! Can you imagine if, say Jr could not "cut the muster" and make a race????? Yeah, tough. People whould be then hollering for the top 35 or whatever, to be guarantied a starting position.

In other words, people are gonna b!tch an moan about whatever is done. That's what's so great about the internet, makes everyone an expert.

As you can see from Bob's statement there are driver fans and there are race fans. I am a race fan so I do not care if Jeff, Tony, Jr. and any other big names do not make the race. My price of addmission is for a race not to see driver "X"

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

"Race fans," OTOH, might moan a bit but, bottom line, we watch the racing for the action and the competition. We know that if one of the popular drivers doesn't start, it's of minor consequence because, guess what... they're still going to have a race. That's what counts in the long run.

What more needs to be said ???

[Yelk]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

As you can see from Bob's statement there are driver fans and there are race fans. I am a race fan so I do not care if Jeff, Tony, Jr. and any other big names do not make the race. My price of addmission is for a race not to see driver "X"



What more needs to be said ???

Might moan abit???? 99% of this boards content is moaning. Check it out.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Yelk

Might moan abit???? 99% of this boards content is moaning. Check it out.

Let's see if I have this correct... Stating your personal opinion, stating possible alternatives to decisions NASCAR makes, and openly disagreeing with the direction we see our favourite sport taking is "moaning?"

To me that concept of "moaning" reminds me of a group I once wandered into which was predominately enhabited by Jeffie Gordon fans. Absolutely anything negative said about Jeffie was construed as "bashing."

Maybe, instead of "moaning" about controversial decisions made by NASCAR, in the vein of rule making, rule enforcement, marketing, manufacturer relations, etc., etc., we should follow the advice of a rapist in a novel I once read. He said to his victim, "Look Honey, it's going to happen anyway, so you might as well shut up, lay back, and enjoy it."

[Yelk]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Let's see if I have this correct... Stating your personal opinion, stating possible alternatives to decisions NASCAR makes, and openly disagreeing with the direction we see our favourite sport taking is "moaning?"

To me that concept of "moaning" reminds me of a group I once wandered into which was predominately enhabited by Jeffie Gordon fans. Absolutely anything negative said about Jeffie was construed as "bashing."

Maybe, instead of "moaning" about controversial decisions made by NASCAR, in the vein of rule making, rule enforcement, marketing, manufacturer relations, etc., etc., we should follow the advice of a rapist in a novel I once read. He said to his victim, "Look Honey, it's going to happen anyway, so you might as well shut up, lay back, and enjoy it."

It's a funny thing though, people are still buying their (NASCAR) product as unhappy as so many seem to be by pointing out every thing that's wrong with NASCAR.

[Lefty Noob]

Originally Posted by Yelk

It's a funny thing though, people are still buying their (NASCAR) product as unhappy as so many seem to be by pointing out every thing that's wrong with NASCAR.

Well, there's unhappy, and then there's boycott-level unhappy. I don't think anyone here is ticked off enough at NASCAR to give it up cold-turkey or anything. Discontentment knows many different levels.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Well, there's unhappy, and then there's boycott-level unhappy. I don't think anyone here is ticked off enough at NASCAR to give it up cold-turkey or anything. Discontentment knows many different levels.

I find the level of discontentment here to be mainly around the subject of and feelings about change in general. I'm not happy with all the changes I see happening within NASCAR, but at the same time I understand that NASCAR is in this to make a profit. It will do whatever it takes to make and maintain that goal. In the meantime myself and many others may become unhappy with the changes but we do move forward with the product, but maintain our right and ability to complain about it. In this entire process we merely express our opinions.

As for purchasing NASCAR products ... not me. Then again I do not purchase football, baseball or any other sports products unless I have a need for them. I do purchase golf equipment but I do not seek out clubs, balls, gloves or any other product because it has someones name or logo on it. The way I play a ball with Tiger's logo on it will not improve my game. I can lose a $3.00 ball as quickly as a $1.00 ball.

Contrary to the belief of some, discontentment isn't all bad. It does spur conversation that can bring many different views out. Ultimately we get to see different sides of the same issue and even possibly change our own views.

As always ... just my opinion.