[Hassan]

Old or new system you can't make everyone happy and I'm with you all that making the chase then run badly is not fair at all to get a top 10 finish just like Kyle Busch last year who made the chase and got jinxed somehow but the rest like Tony Stewart already had their chance to be with those magnificant 10 but couldn't make it then he ran very good when it was too late, Kyle Busch ran good for the first 26 races, he was good enough to make the chase but he ran badly after that, btw Tony struggled alot then he made a come back during the chase, he could have been better earlier and make the chase so why coming back at the end when it's too late then complaing about the system, Stewart had a bad timing slump thats all, Kyle's timing was better that's why he made the chase, I'm not a fan of him but a truth is a truth.

[LSC9901]

From my point of view the truth is only as strong as an opinion. For me the truth is that the chase is a farce. It is a money making, media hype, scheme that is unfair. I don't follow all sports but the major sports that have playoffs involve only those that score well enough in the regular season. Now that leaves me with two issues. Number one is that the regular season was, I admit ... WAS, 36 races long. That is no longer so. Number two is that in the playoffs of all other sports only the teams in the playoffs actually play. When was the last time a baseball team played another team that didn't win their division or was a wild card ??? OH NEVER you say !!! How about football ?? How about basketball ?? None of those sports play teams that fail to make it into the playoffs during the REGULAR season.

Wouldn't you rather see the full 36 race schedule and then a playoff season ?? It doesn't have to be 10 races long but a few races at totally different tracks.

As far as not winning at the right part of the season, well DNF's or poor finishes are not always the fault of the driver/team. JJ and Jr. got taken out at the end of a race and it was not their fault. They both would have scored well had they not benn taken out by an anxious driver. Stuff happens,

Once again I readily admit that change is difficult for older fans, but these changes follow no logic.

[wardfan]

If they want to up the field for the chase, why not just flip the whole field halfway into the season like the night race at Charlotte. After the 18th race flip so the last place team in points goes to first with points at zero again.

[Hassan]

A playoffs after 36 races,hmmm....thats a pretty good idea and i'd love to see that but if it happened some people will come and say "the season is tooooo long, make it shorter...bla bla" so the poor Benny Parsons will stuck between the two fires again!!, lots of fans and drivers are already complaining about how long the season is, i also think that we shouldn't compare NASCAR to other sports that has playoffs because NASCAR nascar is totally different and following other sports is a waste, theres no motorsport in the world that can be compared to NASCAR thanks to the chase that made it tough and special.

[oncea3fan]

o.k. here an idea might work might not, you tell me ther flaws

top ten in the the chase get reset at 100 pt. ahead of 11th place with the five pt. step pre position.

9th and 10 are garenteed say 100k -150k, now best finisher not in the top ten at chase start gets 500k, now 11th place and back chase starter can fall through the standings or climb above 10th. 9th and 10 th chase position is a safety net for chasers only, if a non chaser falls above 11th or below 8th hes still gets 11th place money(plus highest non chaser bonus if his is the highest)basically from 11th you need to earn 8th place pts to gain a point position.

now say you have three non chasers make the top 8 at the end, you would have 5 chaser in the saftey net scored as positions 9,10,11,12,13, but all get the same money and a spot on stage.the non chasers in the top 8 will get chase position money and a spot on stage. this way a non chaser could win the title if he was that good, but would still have run good enough to over come the chase point bonus. this may also put enough heat on the chasers non to stoke pts. and go for position.


I didn't run any numbers on this but Iam sure someone will, have at it.


as for the 36 plus a playoff for the chasers only

say let run maybe 34 races take a 2 week break then run a playoff
all who qualifly for the chase will race all other the season is over.
there will be 2 races each week, 1 on saturday 1 sunday. shorter races
say 200 miles.
1 road course, 1 super speedway,1 short track,1 mile and a half. and one flat track.

these races could be non regular season tracks, or maybe half and half.

say start at nashville,then kuntuky(sp?),then rockingham,and N. wilksboro,and end up at daytona road couse and daytona super speedway.
this would give and good mix of tracks, give some dates to other tracks and start and end the season at daytona.


o.k. guys tear it up !

[wardfan]

I find it interesting that those of us on this forum can come up with any number of better solutions to points, chase, no chase, and I would be willing to bet that none of us here make the money that the France family and their cronies make, or have spent to come up with their plans.

[Hassan]

Interesting idea, i'll make numbers here and u guys tell me wt u think:

1.Dale Jr. (Leader)
2.Jimmie Johnson (-5)
3.Jeff Gordon (-10)
4.Matt Kenseth (-15)
5.Tony Stewart (-20)
6.Kasey Kahne (-25)
7.Greg Biffle (-30)
8.Kurt Busch (-35)
9.Elliott Sadler (-40)
10.Carl Edwards (-45)
11.Jeremy Mayfield (-200)
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I think 200 points should seperate the leader and the rest of the field (so it can be possible to crack the chase but not that easy), the non chasers should race hard enough to enter the chase later and the last racer from the top 10 (Edwards) goes out so it makes him race really hard to secure his spot, ok you might ask what gives the chasers advantage else that the 200 points barrier, well every chaser should get 10 bonus points per race.
This system will make drivers race hard enough to make the chase, and for those who didnt make the chase they still can if their good enough.
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NOTES:
1. More points for victories.
2. Driver with the most victories clinches an extra chase spot.
3. Just like he mentioned, all kinds of tracks should be chase tracks.

Thanks for the idea partner

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wardfan

I find it interesting that those of us on this forum can come up with any number of better solutions to points, chase, no chase, and I would be willing to bet that none of us here make the money that the France family and their cronies make, or have spent to come up with their plans.

There in lies a part of the problem as identified by the older generation of fans. When NASCAR started it was about racing. Through the natural evolution process it is now about money and media. Winning races is no longer the most important goal. I'm fine with anyone who wants to be in business and make money. It is also very natural for us to sit facing a computer screen and type out all the solutions to the problems ... as we see them.

With all of that said I complain because I want to see racing the way it was many years ago. I want American cars. I want drivers/teams that want to win the race. I want to let the points system determine the champion of the series. I want the media to report the event, not make the event. Every poster on here has a point of view/opinion. They are all correct. I've said it before and I say it again ... change is never easy, we never like it but for many of us no matter how bad or difficult the change is we'll probably still hang in there and be a fan to some degree ... at least until the final straw is put upon the Camel's back. Hopefully that will be the day they close the door on the last place I lay down !!!

[Yelk]

I see lots of folks in this thread calling themselves old time fans. If some of you "old time fans" don't mind telling...what era are you talking about? The time that only a hand-full of cars were capible of winning and lots of the times, the winner, won by a lap or more over the rest of the field? Just wondering what makes a "old time fan"?

Thank's
Ken

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Yelk

I see lots of folks in this thread calling themselves old time fans. If some of you "old time fans" don't mind telling...what era are you talking about? The time that only a hand-full of cars were capible of winning and lots of the times, the winner, won by a lap or more over the rest of the field? Just wondering what makes a "old time fan"?

Thank's
Ken

More often know as the "Boring era". Talk about a stand emptyning snoozer!

[wardfan]

Originally Posted by Yelk

I see lots of folks in this thread calling themselves old time fans. If some of you "old time fans" don't mind telling...what era are you talking about? The time that only a hand-full of cars were capible of winning and lots of the times, the winner, won by a lap or more over the rest of the field? Just wondering what makes a "old time fan"?

Thank's
Ken

A fan who followed racing back when there was a time where you didn't have to read the logo on the front bumper to tell a ford from a chevy

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

More often know as the "Boring era". Talk about a stand emptyning snoozer!

Depends on point of view... that was racing. Nothin wrong with that. And those fans didn't need flash or a damn sponsor to keep their attention.

[wardfan]

how about racing BC - before computers.

[trollmc08]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

More often know as the "Boring era". Talk about a stand emptyning snoozer!

This could very well explain the difference between a Race fan and a NASCAR fan. Most of your Old School fans are more race fans than NASCAR fan. don't get me wrong we like NASCAR but we love Racing.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by trollmc08

This could very well explain the difference between a Race fan and a NASCAR fan. Most of your Old School fans are more race fans than NASCAR fan. don't get me wrong we like NASCAR but we love Racing.

I think that is a big difference today. I have no loyalty to one driver/team. There are several teams i enjoy and always happy to see them in victory lane, but for the most part I like racing.

Originally Posted by wardfan

A fan who followed racing back when there was a time where you didn't have to read the logo on the front bumper to tell a ford from a chevy

Remember when a 57 Chevy would never be confused for a Ford or in todays case .... a Toyota ????