[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by bevo311evolver

I think people are overreacting. Well atleast, i think they are. I dont, honestly, care what cars they drive .. as long as they are racing im happy.

I agree, and throwing political views into discussions can get real ugly, real fast. I've seen it on other boards. I am not going to feel guilty because I root for a couple of the Dodge drivers.

[bevo311evolver]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

if the new series is better than let this one die :ekk:

that actually aggrivates me. if this series dies .. so does its history .. so does its heroes ... any im sorry, but i love racing in a series that had petty and earnhardts and gants etc etc etc ... long live it is what i say

[rave20]

In reponse to those who say go back to the old days...

So let me see, if your driver has a Ford and mine has a Chevy and the Chevy has a ton better aero package at Daytona, you're ok with getting pummled on the track until Ford builds and markets a competitive car? I doubt it.

The new car allows all manufacturers into the series. Some traditionalists may not like that but it's good for the sport in a lot of ways. First each manufacturer was beginning to come to point of frustration with nascar in recent years. There was talk of pulling out altogether. The COT reduces some of the dependence on the manufacturers. Consider what happens if both Ford and Dodge say, you know this car is't selling, we're frustrated with nascar, no more rule meeting sedans. we are building what sells. Then you're stuck with one make and a manufacturer who has lots of control. With the COT, Honda, BMW, Mercedes, KIA, heck even Jeep can field a car! Now maybe that isn't true right away but eventually it could be. More sponsorship money, less political power, more opportunities for more people to be involved! By the way don't you find it coincidental that Toyota will be entering the series the same time the COT is. Now why do you suppose that is?

Someone here had a good point earlier. If you tuly want stock, go to your local track. This is big time and no one is going to field a team knowing their car has a tremendous disadvantage because of the shape or mechanical design.

[LSC9901]

I am probably wrong but wasn't there a point in time when the NASCAR body style did in fact coincide with showroom cars? When Chevrolet re-introduced the Monte Carlo I was under the impression that they did it because it was a better design for racing versus the Lumina. I'm sure there are many points of view on this subject of the COT but I think what most of us would like is real racing on an individual level versus the IROC style of racing. I want to see the teams attempt a little "Knaus"ing. I want NASCAR to catch them. If the COT becomes to much of a reality then the teams will have little if anything to do with the win/loss record. The system worked 50 years ago and it can still work today with the proper checks and balances.


Whats next ... cloned drivers ???

[Dupont4five]

I'm getting the 1982 Camaro Indianaoplis 500 Pace Car reeeeaaaallll soon. Hopefully by next month.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I am probably wrong but wasn't there a point in time when the NASCAR body style did in fact coincide with showroom cars?

Heck no you aren't wrong! Just check out any of the race cars from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s. They were stock sheet metal and earlier cars even had stock frames. One of the last real stock items to go was the windshields, sometime in the mid-90s.
You should try and watch the show Back in the Day, Monday nights on Speed. You will see real stock cars from the 70s racing Plymouth Roadrunners, Chevy Chevelles, Ford Torinos, Dodge Chargers, and Mercury Cyclones. Sometimes they have a race from the 60s with the big Pontiac Catalinas, Ford Galaxies, Chevy Impalas and Dodge Polaras. Those old races are really cool to watch. They used entirely stock factory sheetmetal, dash, bumpers, etc. They basically just caged them, tossed out the interior, and threw in big block horsepower.

[LSC9901]

Actually I knew I was correct. Just making a point that if they could revert back to the day when a stock car was a stock car, it might prove to be more interesting than the cookie cutter cars of today. I have to believe that there could be a happy medium somewhere. If it takes a new series to get back to the basics of racing then so be it.

[KENVOL]

I have to agree we need to get back to being able to tell cars apart. I think this would really help the manufacturers to boost sales. I am a chevy person I will not buy another ford and never a dodge. But if all the cars are the same what am I suppose to root for? I know that this may sound crazy but how many times do each of you brag on you own car company? Or joke with someone because they drive a different brand. If we went back to cars you could tell apart then we all win with better cars to drive. If chevy falls behind ford then chevy has to step it up to keep up. We all win that way.

[oncea3fan]

Originally Posted by bevo311evolver

that actually aggrivates me. if this series dies .. so does its history .. so does its heroes ... any im sorry, but i love racing in a series that had petty and earnhardts and gants etc etc etc ... long live it is what i say

with the way things are going with the COT the history is already gone.

I would love for nascar to listen to the fans and make things more like they used to be, but it ain't gonna happen.

[oncea3fan]

If you tuly want stock, go to your local track.

I don't know about where you are my local track, evan the street class it atube chassis,alum/tin body,and alclhol motors.....not much stock going on there,
but the racing is really good.

[rave20]

Let me ask my question again because I am curious. If your driver was in a strictly stock car that was at a design or mechanical disadvantage, would you really watch with the same interest each week? Would you get excited about Daytona knowing they realisticly had no chance?

Years ago parts failure helped to even things out but with all that is known today that simply would not be the case. Manufacturers are only going to build a Nascar fiendly car to a point. Why do you think the production version is FRONT wheel drive on some of today's racers? Going to race that at Daytona?

I too like the concept and the simplicity but honestly do I want to know I cheer for the best driver out there and he likely won't have a shot to win because he drives a _______? Not me!

[rave20]

Reading the thread back in the day reminded me of another sober reality. Drivers would most often lap the field even by 10 laps! Is that really better then what we have today? I gues it was if you were a Petty fan!!

[Smoke+GibbsFan]

Don't you think with the money and research in racing today that a
manufacturer would find a way for their car to at least compeditive? would Chevy and Dodge just sit back and watch as Ford ran laps around their cars or would they spend more money, and come up with a design that could win?

[oncea3fan]

Ilike the late 80's early 90's, once in while you'd have run away car, but mostly you would have 5-10 on the lead lap with 3-5 for the win.
remember atlanta 92.did know would win the championship ,alan,davey,bill,and someone else was in there too

I loved that time periord.

[rave20]

Originally Posted by Smoke+GibbsFan

Don't you think with the money and research in racing today that a
manufacturer would find a way for their car to at least compeditive?

Yes. Until it didn't make sense financially. Chevy builds a new head, so Ford has to. One does this so the other has to also. But keep in mind they have to be available to the general public who wants low sticker price, gas mileage etc. How far will they go? And how would they do it? The same way they have before. A combination of we'll do this but that's all. Nascar if you want us in then you need to __________________.

That's how we arrived where we are.