[Nevadastars]

Does anyone know if the Busch cars are going to be running these as well?

[bevo311evolver]

Good question ... and i havent seen one busch car being tested nor have any busch drivers been involved in any tests. so im going to say it will be a Nextel Cup thing for now and maybe by '08 or '09 we'd see it in the Busch Series.

[Nevadastars]

It appears that they are about 90% sure they will be using the wing, instead of the spoiler for these cars. Michael Waltrip had a good point on Wind Tunnel last night about the wings. He thinks that they should all be the same and provided by Nascar. Teams like Penske, and Ganassi have years of experince with wings on their Indy cars, and know all the little nuances with them to get the most downforce which could be a HUGE advantage over other teams. Waltrip thinks everyone should be issued one by Nascar, then given back at the end of the race.
It made sense to me, since they are trying to get parity among the cars.

[bevo311evolver]

id almost gaurantee the wing is provided by nascar or has very very specific specs on it. they will let them adjust it. just my $.02

[bevo311evolver]

oh and to add, the wing is a GREAT idea. although the new front clip is going to help with aero push ... letting air go under the wing to the front of the car will for sure help that .. that the entire problem with aero push .. no air on the front nose! however, i hope they make sure that air cant get under it and lift the cars at Dega or Daytona.. but im sure they are all over that.

[oncea3fan]

I must say that I don't like it one bit, it's supossed to be about who manufactures a better mouse trap.I believe this ruin nascar evan more.

why they don't make them run stock sheet metal from the center of the wheel up and striahgt down from the center down with X amount from the track/ground.

if one manufacturer has more down force then they will sufer on the areo tracks

they need to get back to ford vs. chevy vs. dodge vs. toyota vs. who ever.

[Nevadastars]

Hey oncea3fan, welcome to the forum! I agree with you 100%, but unfortunately, thats not going to happen ever again. Nascar is all about "The Show" these days, and they will do everything they can keep one manufacturer from dominating. They dont want to have to keep dealing with teams whining that someone else is better than them. They are banking on the fact that we will be cheering for a decal (Ford, Chev, etc) on the hood that is representing the real thing.

It is going to be really tough to root for one brand that looks like all the others, except for the grill and light decals. Although, there really isnt a whole lot different in the cars now, except the engines, nose and tail. Brand loyalty will most likely be a thing of the past in coming years, and thats sad. When these new cars come out, the only thing left to separate the cars is the engines, and Nascar is not going to let one manufacturer have more horsepower or a superior design than someone else.

The days of run what ya brung, and hope ya brung enough......are gone.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

It appears that they are about 90% sure they will be using the wing, instead of the spoiler for these cars. Michael Waltrip had a good point on Wind Tunnel last night about the wings. He thinks that they should all be the same and provided by Nascar. Teams like Penske, and Ganassi have years of experince with wings on their Indy cars, and know all the little nuances with them to get the most downforce which could be a HUGE advantage over other teams. Waltrip thinks everyone should be issued one by Nascar, then given back at the end of the race.
It made sense to me, since they are trying to get parity among the cars.

Parity is one thing but if NASCAR is the maker of the spoiler it is just another step closer to IROC. I would also like to see teams on an equal footing but that would be like Roush making cars for Yates and so on. I say give the teams the specs and then check out the equipment to make sure they are not "Knaus"ing it.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I say give the teams the specs and then check out the equipment to make sure they are not "Knaus"ing it.

"Knaus'ing" it, I like that term!

[oncea3fan]

maybe this will be the first stepping stone for bruton smith to start a new series that the fans want, I remember there being talk of a second series a few years ago.

[LSC9901]

Bring it on Bruton. I'm all for turning back the clock and letting the manufacturer turn out the best car. I'd love to see them once again run the stock bodies. As for the cars of tomorrow being the same except for the engine .... I'm not sure there is a lot of difference there either. When was the last time you went and bought a new car and could get one with an 800 HP engine in it ????? What really happened to stock cars ???

[oncea3fan]

well not quite 800, but you could order a 1969 camaro with a motoor that later dyno'd at around 650.......buy this would cost you about 10,000
I think it was RPO #ZL1

also in 2003 you could get a dicky harrell camaro at 630hp for about 100k

[Wampinrock]

All this talk and testing and moving toward the IROC Car of Tomorrow just makes me wanna puke! Stock Car racing has been guided into a generic piece of crap by the France of Today! By-the-way, I also love the term 'Knausing it"...very good job and that term also demonstrates more grass-root intellegence than the cars of tomorrow. Bruton has my vote and support...someone needs to get back to the real purpose and themes. The advances in safety and inovations that keep our drivers alive and well are and have been teriffic and should always be retained, however, one of the prime interests that has helped the sport grow was the healthy interaction between the varied manufacturers. Now that both Ford and GM are having some serious production and financial woes, it seems to me that much (if not all) of the corporate dollars may dry up...they have been pumping thousands into the stock car racing game and now, with no specific car design to tout, they may very welll say adios..'see-ya.' Can't blame them...NASCAR and the US killed the golden egg at Winston, now they are aiming at the auto manufacturers. By-the-by, part of the problems with the US manufacturers was caused the the unions and the inability of our citizens to see that the off-shore vehicles have dealt a death blow to our own economy...I don't blame the dealers, they will sell anything that moves...it's the purchasers that have caused the problem...quality and cost of maintenance is at )and has been) at a parity for decades. Only my opinion...another thing, while I digress here, is the dicotomy of a off-shore vehicle sporting a 'Support the Troops' sticker...how can you send your money to Japan and support the US?? Off the sopa-box for now...sorry...

[bevo311evolver]

I think people are overreacting. Well atleast, i think they are. I dont, honestly, care what cars they drive .. as long as they are racing im happy. i, personally, am not in it for chevy vs. ford .. im in it for dale jr vs. 42 drivers. i guess for the ppl who are moreso worried bout manufacturers, the car of tomorrow sucks. im just more concerned with good racing than that.

and by the way, 2 series is an awful idea. indy car knows that.... world of outlaws knows that .. we shouldnt have to make that mistake too!

[oncea3fan]

if the new series is better than let this one die :ekk: