[Mike24]

Originally Posted by rich1va

Mike24

To be more specific I am speaking of the design, weight, size and speeds of the IRL vs NEXTEL vs LAUNCHING into the stands? All types of racing there are risks.

My opinion only~

I think we also need to realize stock cars are different than Indy cars. Stock cars are much heavier, which is why they need more safety improvements. Indy cars are much harder to flip with how small they are, which is why they can have the high speeds. But, the problem is when the Indy cars cut a tire or something, they go straight in the wall at 220 somethin mph, where in NASCAR, you are goin in the wall at 150 mph. A big speed difference. The main thing is stock cars aren't able to handle the high speeds, but Indy cars are. That's why NASCAR has made the safety improvements. Like Allison said, we may not be racing if NASCAR didn't put the plates on the cars. What would happen if a car was going 240 mph? With the way these cars are setup, stock cars would easily be in the stands if they flipped. NASCAR put the plates and roof flaps on the cars for safety improvements, because stock cars needed them. Safety comes first, racing comes 2nd.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

I think we also need to realize stock cars are different than Indy cars. Stock cars are much heavier, which is why they need more safety improvements. Indy cars are much harder to flip with how small they are, which is why they can have the high speeds. But, the problem is when the Indy cars cut a tire or something, they go straight in the wall at 220 somethin mph, where in NASCAR, you are goin in the wall at 150 mph. A big speed difference. The main thing is stock cars aren't able to handle the high speeds, but Indy cars are. That's why NASCAR has made the safety improvements. Like Allison said, we may not be racing if NASCAR didn't put the plates on the cars. What would happen if a car was going 240 mph? With the way these cars are setup, stock cars would easily be in the stands if they flipped. NASCAR put the plates and roof flaps on the cars for safety improvements, because stock cars needed them. Safety comes first, racing comes 2nd.

Since I am not an engineer I would toss this out for discussion. The fact that NASCAR has vehicles with roofs would be an issue I assume. The air will lift the vehicle where with the open wheel vehicles that isn't a problem. Just thinking out loud with the keyboard. Just have to believe that the lift the roof adds has to have an effect on how easily the car will flip compared to the F-1 cars.

[harvick29]

Originally Posted by rich1va

1) Top 35 automaticly race sunday's = Failure

2) Green white Checkered flag = Failure

3) Restrictor plates = Failure

4) Nascar racing in other countries - Failure / Nascar's future

5) TV Coverage - Failure

6) Ticket prices / Ticket resale scalper - Nascar allows - Failure

7) Loyal Fan support - Decreasing

Car of tomorrow - Biggest Joke ever - Failure

9) Smaller Fuel Cells - Failure

10) Officials - Another joke - Failure

These are my opinions only. Nascar will dissapear like the fuel cell size.

i agree totally about ticket prices ive paid 250 for bristol tickets when they have face value of 80 thats a big problem.
your right on about the small fuel cells.coca cola 600 was boring.
other than that i disagree about everything.i would go in to detail but all this robby gordon talk has me wore out.the only thing i will say the restrictor plate races are the only races that have you at the edge of your seat all race long dont think ive ever napped during one.you must be a ford fan.ha ha.as for tv coverage all i need is my boogity boogity boogity fox all season would help espn sucks.

[harvick29]

i dont understand how anyone could possibly have a problem with the chase it has added much more excitment to the whole season.no more being conservative with 10 to go.which happend everytime someone got a big points lead.the only one that should hate the chase is jeff gordon he would have won his 5th championship the year of the busch had they been under the old points system.and he would more than likely tie up his 6th title this year under the old system.but with the chase the top 12 have a chance.which is a good thing for the sport could you imagine how boring it would be if jeff was the points leader all year long without a battle at some point.you cant argue with success and the chase has been a huge improvement over the old system.and if your willing to watch stick and ball sports over racing than you were never a real fan no matter how many years youve been watching.

[LSC9901]

I almost hate to discuss this but since this is an opinion oriented site I'm forced into giving mine.

I hate the chase. While I do understand your theory about one driver being so far ahead that they can just lay back for a portion of the season, I'd need to see hard facts to prove that happens every year. When it does happen doesn't it mean that whoever has done well enough for a majority of the season and now they can protect their lead ? This is not uncommon to any sport. Look at basketball. When a team is 20 points ahead with 2 minutes left they pull the starters off the floor to give them rest. Same in most other sports.

In all of the other sports the playoffs occur after the regular season and only those that make the playoffs are involved. Not NASCAR. Since they are all going to race then they should all have the ability to get into the top 12 and even to get knocked out of the top 12. 13th and below are locked into 13th and below and the 12th place driver can do no worse than 12. How fair is it for the 13th place driver to win 3 of the last 10 races and the 12th place driver to have no wins and 4 DNF's yet remain in 12th ??

I'm sorry but the current chase system stinks.

[harvick29]

i dont like that they take away from guys being able to work their way in to the top 5 or 10 with 10 races to go either.but to me this is way better than what it was.

what if they take the top 12 in points make them eligible for the championship but not locked in the top 12 so the other 31 guys may advance in the points further than just 13th.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by harvick29

i dont like that they take away from guys being able to work their way in to the top 5 or 10 with 10 races to go either.but to me this is way better than what it was.

what if they take the top 12 in points make them eligible for the championship but not locked in the top 12 so the other 31 guys may advance in the points further than just 13th.

Which in theory eliminates the chase !!!!

I'm good with that.

[bob101]

Few thoughts...

On safety. Indy cars dont' race on the tracks that would cause them to have the possibility of "launching" into the grandstands with high banking. They don't race Talledega/Daytona. They race big tracks but they are much flatter. Racing at Indy means the banking is 1/3 or less than the big NASCAR tracks.

The chase. Don't care for it. I've been a NASCAR fan for a long time and until 10 years ago maybe less I couldn't even tell you who won the championship. Drivers mention it too about how the championship has been manufactured as something important. I'd rather concentrate on who won the race than what we do now, where 20 seconds after the race you see standings in relation to the chase before you even see the running order down to 43rd posisition.

Restrictor plates - may have been a positive for safety.....but really? Name tracks that are known for the "big one"....places that weren't know for the "big one" before restrictor plates.

Anyway...let's say restrictor plates have been a positive for safety and kept speeds down - but they killed competition and appealing races at those tracks..and the title of this thread was ratings - well there you go. I'd rather NASCAR go to V6's and lop off 2 cylinders of the standard V8 to cut down top horsepower and still have some throttle response.

[harvick29]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Which in theory eliminates the chase !!!!

I'm good with that.

what im saying doesnt eliminate the chase at all.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by harvick29

what if they take the top 12 in points make them eligible for the championship but not locked in the top 12 so the other 31 guys may advance in the points further than just 13th.

But that is basically eliminating the theory of the chase. You are now saying, or so it seems, that only the top 12 are in the race for the championship but that anyone can get into the top 12. Isn't that what you are saying ??? If that is the case then why have a deal called the chase when you are just going back to the regular season and crowning a champion after the season is over. You are saying that if in the last 10 races the 13th place driver could make it to 1st he'd be the champion ... correct ??? I do understand that it is not probable that the 13th place team could make it to 1st in 10 races but it is not impossible.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

But that is basically eliminating the theory of the chase. You are now saying, or so it seems, that only the top 12 are in the race for the championship but that anyone can get into the top 12. Isn't that what you are saying ??? If that is the case then why have a deal called the chase when you are just going back to the regular season and crowning a champion after the season is over. You are saying that if in the last 10 races the 13th place driver could make it to 1st he'd be the champion ... correct ??? I do understand that it is not probable that the 13th place team could make it to 1st in 10 races but it is not impossible.

maybe he also intends to have a "playoff" with the final 12 drivers only?

[rgordon7grl]

Originally Posted by rich1va

1) Top 35 automaticly race sunday's = Failure

2) Green white Checkered flag = Failure

3) Restrictor plates = Failure

4) Nascar racing in other countries - Failure / Nascar's future

5) TV Coverage - Failure

6) Ticket prices / Ticket resale scalper - Nascar allows - Failure

7) Loyal Fan support - Decreasing

Car of tomorrow - Biggest Joke ever - Failure

9) Smaller Fuel Cells - Failure

10) Officials - Another joke - Failure

These are my opinions only. Nascar will dissapear like the fuel cell size.

Can't even see why it's a shock to them that the ratings are down.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

But that is basically eliminating the theory of the chase. You are now saying, or so it seems, that only the top 12 are in the race for the championship but that anyone can get into the top 12. Isn't that what you are saying ??? If that is the case then why have a deal called the chase when you are just going back to the regular season and crowning a champion after the season is over. You are saying that if in the last 10 races the 13th place driver could make it to 1st he'd be the champion ... correct ??? I do understand that it is not probable that the 13th place team could make it to 1st in 10 races but it is not impossible.

I think he meant have the top 12 in it for the championship. But the others could advance their position, say 13th could go to 12th, but they couldn't run for the championship. Just the original 12 could.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by rich1va

1) Top 35 automaticly race sunday's = Failure

2) Green white Checkered flag = Failure

3) Restrictor plates = Failure

4) Nascar racing in other countries - Failure / Nascar's future

5) TV Coverage - Failure

6) Ticket prices / Ticket resale scalper - Nascar allows - Failure

7) Loyal Fan support - Decreasing

Car of tomorrow - Biggest Joke ever - Failure

9) Smaller Fuel Cells - Failure

10) Officials - Another joke - Failure

These are my opinions only. Nascar will dissapear like the fuel cell size.

1. Agree
2. I like this. Better than automatically finishing under caution.
3. Don't have a problem with these either, if it's safer for the drivers.
4. Don't have a problem with this.
5. Don't like it on ESPN
6.Wouldn't know
7. Agree
8. I like the COT
9. Not sure on this one.
10. That is the biggest problem

But no Nascar will not dissappear.

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by jks812

I think he meant have the top 12 in it for the championship. But the others could advance their position, say 13th could go to 12th, but they couldn't run for the championship. Just the original 12 could.

that's the Chase.