[BringBackWilkesboro]

That goes back to my point about the new trendy fanbase Nascar is trying to appeal to is not as large as the fans of pure racing.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

That goes back to my point about the new trendy fanbase Nascar is trying to appeal to is not as large as the fans of pure racing.

This is not an argumentative question but why do you feel that the fans of pure racing outnumber the trendy new fan base ???

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Well, it seems that way because Nascar's fanbase was growing ay alarming rates not more than a year ago, and now that Mr. France is chaningng the direction of the sport, it is beginning to shrink and longtime Nascar fans are turning their back. I guess technically we may not out number the trendy audience, but if France keeps it up, he wont like the numbers he sees.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

Well, it seems that way because Nascar's fanbase was growing ay alarming rates not more than a year ago, and now that Mr. France is chaningng the direction of the sport, it is beginning to shrink and longtime Nascar fans are turning their back. I guess technically we may not out number the trendy audience, but if France keeps it up, he wont like the numbers he sees.

Well he better not pi$$ off all the good ole boys and girls who are true fans... but then again it feels as if they don't want those type of fans anymore.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Well he better not pi$$ off all the good ole boys and girls who are true fans... but then again it feels as if they don't want those type of fans anymore.

Well, the Car of Tomorrow will take care of that. Its clearly another step taken to kill nascar's roots. Sure its aerodynamic, but I think its obvious what France was trying to accomplish by promoting a car that resembles one of those street tuners or whatever the hell the kids call em.

[wardfan]

I think it's pretty obvious that France is not interested in us old school true racing fans. Building new tracks with the fancy suites, making comments about the rebel flag, stuff like that. He is interested in the new yuppie fan with money to burn. Well we know the attention span there with the young fans. Not all, of course but probably the majority of them. I guess us old timers will just have to try and wait them out and maybe one day it will get back to being about the racing.

[A pirate]

Originally Posted by wardfan

I think it's pretty obvious that France is not interested in us old school true racing fans. Building new tracks with the fancy suites, making comments about the rebel flag, stuff like that. He is interested in the new yuppie fan with money to burn. Well we know the attention span there with the young fans. Not all, of course but probably the majority of them. I guess us old timers will just have to try and wait them out and maybe one day it will get back to being about the racing.

I'm not sure what being a true racing fan has to do with the rebel flag. Could you please enlighten me?

[wardfan]

france was implying the rebel flag was a symbal of the good ol boys redneck image that he is trying to get away from - meaning he wants that yuppie money

[A pirate]

Originally Posted by wardfan

france was implying the rebel flag was a symbal of the good ol boys redneck image that he is trying to get away from - meaning he wants that yuppie money

Or maybe he is trying to get a more diverse audience? Maybe the idea of a rebel flag is offensive? There is more than rednecks or yuppies in the country. Middle class America? I think I might just be wasting my time here, are you picking up what I'm puttin' down?

[wardfan]

Originally Posted by A pirate

Or maybe he is trying to get a more diverse audience? Maybe the idea of a rebel flag is offensive? There is more than rednecks or yuppies in the country. Middle class America? I think I might just be wasting my time here, are you picking up what I'm puttin' down?

Yea, he is turning his back on the fans that got him were he is

[LSC9901]

I believe there is already a diverse fan base, which in todays day and age is a must. The long time racing fan is in the minority. I'm not sure what it'll take to finally make me stop being a fan. I do believe that the fans of today are in no way like the fans from 30 plus years ago. By no means does that make them bad or anything like that. I think that NA$CAR has to coddle them in a different way. Again this isn't a bad thing it is just different from where we were all those years ago. Like with any major sporting event today fans come and go. Today NASCAR may be the trendy sport to be involved with and next year it may be tennis or golf. They all have their loyal fan base and they all have fans coming and going. 30 years ago there were no big statdium type tracks and none of the events were carried live on TV. T-shirts and hats, along with all the other media blitzed items didn't exist at todays standards. With that in mind I do not see the correlation between todays fan base versus what is happening to the actual sport of NASCAR racing. Not all that many years ago you could watch stock (well ... almost) cars race around the track. Today it is a fabricated body with a mega engine and a multi million dollar operation. Tomorrow it will be a clone car for everyone and there is the chance that the spec engine will become the only accepted powerhouse. We've all heard the term cookie cutter, where they are all the same cookies. In the not to distant future that is where NASCAR could be. At that point the revolving fan base may be all that they have. Who really knows if this will be good or bad ? From my point of view it will become much less interesting. That along with 45 minutes of commercials for every hour of racing will probably have me watching curling on ESPN. Some future.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I believe there is already a diverse fan base, which in todays day and age is a must. The long time racing fan is in the minority. I'm not sure what it'll take to finally make me stop being a fan. I do believe that the fans of today are in no way like the fans from 30 plus years ago. By no means does that make them bad or anything like that. I think that NA$CAR has to coddle them in a different way. Again this isn't a bad thing it is just different from where we were all those years ago. Like with any major sporting event today fans come and go. Today NASCAR may be the trendy sport to be involved with and next year it may be tennis or golf. They all have their loyal fan base and they all have fans coming and going. 30 years ago there were no big statdium type tracks and none of the events were carried live on TV. T-shirts and hats, along with all the other media blitzed items didn't exist at todays standards. With that in mind I do not see the correlation between todays fan base versus what is happening to the actual sport of NASCAR racing. Not all that many years ago you could watch stock (well ... almost) cars race around the track. Today it is a fabricated body with a mega engine and a multi million dollar operation. Tomorrow it will be a clone car for everyone and there is the chance that the spec engine will become the only accepted powerhouse. We've all heard the term cookie cutter, where they are all the same cookies. In the not to distant future that is where NASCAR could be. At that point the revolving fan base may be all that they have. Who really knows if this will be good or bad ? From my point of view it will become much less interesting. That along with 45 minutes of commercials for every hour of racing will probably have me watching curling on ESPN. Some future.

LOL. <CLAP> <CLAP> <CLAP> Can I get an "AMEN!?" Brother LSC? I believe about the only thing left for us old line fans would be to hope that we can get Brian in front of a tele-evangalist so he can lay hands on him and yell to the heavens, "HEAL THIS MAN!"

Personally I have found that, whenever I chose to actually watch a race, the two village idiots on FOX or Bill Weber on NBC, or the general contrived nature of the race itself, have given me a reason to watch my TEVO'd installments of Boston Legal, Nip/Tuck or Two and a Half Men between 25 laps into the race and the last fifteen minutes.

[Bob Tanner]

In case anyone missed this little tidbit of info, the following is a reprint swiped from Jayski:
"Homestead overnight TV ratings drop 10.4%: NBC's broadcast of Sunday's Ford 400 Nextel Cup season finale earned a 4.3 overnight rating from Nielsen Media Research and a 7 market share, Street & Smith's SportsBusiness Daily reports. The rating represents a 10.4% drop from the 4.8/9 the race earned overnight in 2005 and a 23.2% drop from 2004, when the format of the Chase For The Nextel Cup was used for the first time.(SceneDaily.com)(11-21-2006)"

Yes sir, Brian. Your silly little playoff system really has all the sports fans on the edge of their seats, doesn't it? Maybe I have the philosphy all confused but I always thought that if something was successful, it became MORE popular, not LESS popular? The last time I sat down with a paper and pencil and tried to cypher a statistic, I had it that if a percentage DECREASED (dopwn 23.2% since 2004) it indicated non-success? Did I get that wrong?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

In case anyone missed this little tidbit of info, the following is a reprint swiped from Jayski:
"Homestead overnight TV ratings drop 10.4%: NBC's broadcast of Sunday's Ford 400 Nextel Cup season finale earned a 4.3 overnight rating from Nielsen Media Research and a 7 market share, Street & Smith's SportsBusiness Daily reports. The rating represents a 10.4% drop from the 4.8/9 the race earned overnight in 2005 and a 23.2% drop from 2004, when the format of the Chase For The Nextel Cup was used for the first time.(SceneDaily.com)(11-21-2006)"

Yes sir, Brian. Your silly little playoff system really has all the sports fans on the edge of their seats, doesn't it? Maybe I have the philosphy all confused but I always thought that if something was successful, it became MORE popular, not LESS popular? The last time I sat down with a paper and pencil and tried to cypher a statistic, I had it that if a percentage DECREASED (dopwn 23.2% since 2004) it indicated non-success? Did I get that wrong?

Bob .. tell me again about the education Brian got In Central Fl.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Bob .. tell me again about the education Brian got In Central Fl.

Hmmm...?

Here's a link to UCF's School of Business, which I've been told Brian attended. (I always thought that he ended up with an MBA, not a pink slip?) To be honest, as far as institutions of higher learning go, it doesn't say, or impress, all that much.
UCFBusiness - Academic Programs

Let's see... his sister got a degree from Duke and Brian didn't finish at UCF? I don't know a thing about UCF but I really don't think it compares with a ticket punched at Duke. Things like this drive my imagination into hyperspace.

Thinking back on Brian's record of having a 23.2% drop in audience in two seasons, those figures don't bode well, do they? Remembering back when I had a real job, I let people go who came to me with sales figures better than the numbers Brian is tossing at us. Maybe its time for me to rethink hanging onto my ISC stock, eh? Our boy is proving that changes do not a better product make.