[saint]

They better fix the point system. Call it the Stewart Rule.

[A pirate]

Originally Posted by saint

They better fix the point system. Call it the Stewart Rule.

Stewart had the same chance to make the chase as everyone else. I don't understand the issue that everyone has about this. He didn't make the chase. If he had, he certainly doesn't win the race where he ran out of gas coming to the checkered flag. No way he takes that chance with the championship on the line. The whole 20 team's strategy would have been different, or like every other chaser, and they would have been going for points and not the win in that situation. I imagine there strategy throughout the chase would have been different.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by A pirate

Stewart had the same chance to make the chase as everyone else. I don't understand the issue that everyone has about this. He didn't make the chase. If he had, he certainly doesn't win the race where he ran out of gas coming to the checkered flag. No way he takes that chance with the championship on the line. The whole 20 team's strategy would have been different, or like every other chaser, and they would have been going for points and not the win in that situation. I imagine there strategy throughout the chase would have been different.

I don't know... I can see it... though I think they would have done it the same whether they were in the chase or not. But then again... there have been a bunch of pink panty wearin candya$$es out there.

[tbalt]

"Saint" correct me if I'm wrong, Are you referring to what Stewart proposed for point changes.
Meaning Tony doesn't think the points to get into the chase should change, but but from race 27 - 36 the championship chasers should have their own point stucture for each race...
That would keep teamates out of the chase from helping or screwing the the drivers in the chase.

[A pirate]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I don't know... I can see it... though I think they would have done it the same whether they were in the chase or not. But then again... there have been a bunch of pink panty wearin candya$$es out there.

Did you watch the ceremony after the race? Did you happen to see the size of the check that JJ was handed? $6.2 Million? Don't blame the drivers, blame the system. If it were me and points racing gets me a $6.2 Million check, I'd be a points racing mf. I would dare say that you would too, especially with the pressure from the owner and the sponsor(s) to be the champ. And I would suppose if you didn't you'd be racing somewhere with a lot less exposure and for a lot less money.

[clutch]

Originally Posted by A pirate

Did you watch the ceremony after the race? Did you happen to see the size of the check that JJ was handed? $6.2 Million? Don't blame the drivers, blame the system. If it were me and points racing gets me a $6.2 Million check, I'd be a points racing mf. I would dare say that you would too, especially with the pressure from the owner and the sponsor(s) to be the champ. And I would suppose if you didn't you'd be racing somewhere with a lot less exposure and for a lot less money.

Well that about sums it up . The realities of Nascar today

[A pirate]

Originally Posted by clutch

Well that about sums it up . The realities of Nascar today

You are correct clutch, although I'd rather call you Big Papi since your name and his mean the same to me(yes I'm a Boston Red Sox fan), until NASCAR does something about wins meaning a significant more than second the racing wont change. In fact even if they do drivers will still be points racing, they will be trying to win though which to me is a win-win. Win for the fans because all of the drivers will be trying to win the race and a win for NASCAR because they will have created the illusion drivers (teams, owners, sponsors it's all the same in this case) are "gunning" for the win. Until they give the championship to whoever has the most wins, with second being the first tie-break, third place being the second etc. etc. it's not going to change. Watch or don't it's the way it is and *****ing about it isn't going to change it like it or not.

[LSC9901]

I guess until Brian France releases his plans for the 07 changes we'll all be just guessing. I'd like to see two major changes. One being the point structure. Obviously many of you agree that there isn't enough point differential from place to place. I believe, along with many others, that if the points varied more from 1st to second and so on down the line there might be a better chance we'd see racing to win versus points racing. Secondly I'd like to see the chase or a modified version of it occur AFTER the regular season. There is absolutely no value of the other 33 cars during the chase. The only thing they can do is win the race. If they continued the 36 race schedule and then went to a 5 race (?) playoff at undetermined tracks, then it would be a race for the championship.

Just my opinion .........

[A pirate]

Playing devil's advocate here. Why would I watch a playoff system if my driver is not in it? At least now if my driver isn't in the chase I can still watch and root for him to win the race. My brother and I were talking last night and he suggested they only count points for 34 of the 36 races and screw the chase altogether. Basically your 2 worst points finishes of the year get thrown out and you keep the best 34. I am intrigued to this idea because the points system would change a lot from race to race. I think his idea has some merit but I doubt NASCAR would adopt such an idea.

[LSC9901]

You may have a point about why would you watch it if your driver wasn't in it. My point if view is that I watch racing versus a driver/team. The playoff system works well for all other sports but I don't see it working as well in NA$CAR. I'm sure there would be a decrease in the number of people watching or going to the races but I would guess that it is minimal. Most fans may root for driver "X" but they also like other drivers so I think they would watch the playoff for that reason. For those that wouldn't actually go to the track because their driver is out of it, that's fine. More tickets for the rest of those who may want to go.

Either way I'm sure they aren't going to change it to make me happy.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by A pirate

Did you watch the ceremony after the race? Did you happen to see the size of the check that JJ was handed? $6.2 Million? Don't blame the drivers, blame the system. If it were me and points racing gets me a $6.2 Million check, I'd be a points racing mf. I would dare say that you would too, especially with the pressure from the owner and the sponsor(s) to be the champ. And I would suppose if you didn't you'd be racing somewhere with a lot less exposure and for a lot less money.

I agree. I'd rather see them take about $5 million of the $6 million and divid it up between some other races. Make the races worth more and the championship less.

Everything you say above is correct in my mind's eye. But, I still continue to think that "points racing" bites the big one. I didn't like it the past several seasons, I didn't like it this season and I won't like it in the future. Acceptance of the fact doesn't mean I have to like it, nor agree with the principle.

[BringBackWilkesboro]

I dont understand the thinking behind drivers who say they were saving there stuff and points racing. I understand not messing up your car trying to get to the front, but if You get 5 points for leading a lap, 5 more for leading the most and 175 for winning, woulndt it make sense to at least try to get by the guy in front of you instead of worrying about whose behind you?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by BringBackWilkesboro

I dont understand the thinking behind drivers who say they were saving there stuff and points racing. I understand not messing up your car trying to get to the front, but if You get 5 points for leading a lap, 5 more for leading the most and 175 for winning, woulndt it make sense to at least try to get by the guy in front of you instead of worrying about whose behind you?

Because the drivers are so afraid of doing something which could cause them to lose a position, NASCAR has turned stock car racing into a game of defense, vice offense. So, instead of being an action-filled competitive sport, it's turned into a "chess match." And, I ask you, what can cause the blood to stir more than watching a chess match. Watching paint dry, or watching grass grow may come close but those just don't have the "pizzaz" of NASCAR, do they?

The answer is obvious; 225 to win, 200 for 2nd and 180 for 3rd. Make it worthwhile to take that chance to improve the position, vice motoring around, watching the rearview mirror.

But then there are those who find NASCAR fine just the way it is, and can't wait each week to watch those thrilling passes made in the pits. WOW! I get all wet just thinking about it!

[LSC9901]

As always Bob I enjoy your postings. The big question is just how do we make our voices heard ? NA$CAR readily accepts our donations to visit their venues and maintain great joy making a buck or two on sales of hats, clothes and so on. You'd think we could be heard through some avenue of communications.

Oh yeah and the moon is made of green cheese !!!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

As always Bob I enjoy your postings. The big question is just how do we make our voices heard ? NA$CAR readily accepts our donations to visit their venues and maintain great joy making a buck or two on sales of hats, clothes and so on. You'd think we could be heard through some avenue of communications.

Oh yeah and the moon is made of green cheese !!!

I made a statement in another thread about the possibility of pairing Brian France with a tele-evangelist/faith healer. The more I think about such a pairing, the most interesting it seems.