[tkj24]

I agree Nascar should do away with gray areas before suspending a driver.

[PenelopePitStop]

I was just reading about this yesterday (I think) on this forum. This is nothing new. Been going on for years. NASCAR says that they had no idea this was going on. BS!

I think it was Kyle who said that one of the suspended CCs said that he had a better view of what was going on from the stands.

Short of putting the CC in NASCAR jail with no access to any type of communication, it'll never change. Even then, they'll resort to carrier pigeons!

[oncea3fan]

how about they (nascar) has the CC report to the nascar suite any time the garage is open, if the CC hasn't reported to the suite the team can not work on or pracitace the car. nascar could also have the CC do charity autograph sessions while in the suite(nascar jail)
the CC would have the option not to go to nascar jail(civil rights), but his car team would not be allowed to compete.

if a CC is fired /quits during a jail term the team will still suffer the no compete clause. this will stop the "well we fired him so he doesn't have to go to jail", oh yeah we hired him back yesterday"(after jial term would've been over)

of course this open up the idea that say knaus is car chief and joe blow is the CC so joe blow(just dummy sitting next to CC as a face/name holder) go to jail while car chief knaus is still doing his deal.

yeah I guess it going to have to be the driver takes the fall, he is the money man and is part of the TEAM.

[jks812]

I say put them in the booth with Wally and Kyle. With cameras on them from time to time and Kyle there, they won't be communicating with their teams.

[vicfirth5150]

The only thing they need to do is make all the penalties fare and equal. Gordon and Johnson had thier mishap with the fenders, 100 driver points and 6-race suspension of crew chief. Same with jr's chief. Except jr. got to qualify and practice. Then, with Vickers, they just told him to go home. Where is the consistency?

[lilsexy08]

Chad is a good car chief but it seems he is more popular after he got into trouble back in 2005 I believe not sure at the Daytona 500. I still don't like Jimmie Johnson! LOL!

[jks812]

If I was Jimmie I would be questioning Chad about why, if I'm such a great driver and I have the best equipment, does he feel like we even have to cheat at all.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by vicfirth5150

Where is the consistency?

Consistency and NA$CAR go together like Jimmy Spencer and Kurt Busch

[Racer Duck]

Originally Posted by vicfirth5150

The only thing they need to do is make all the penalties fare and equal. Gordon and Johnson had their mishap with the fenders, 100 driver points and 6-race suspension of crew chief. Same with jr's chief. Except jr. got to qualify and practice. Then, with Vickers, they just told him to go home. Where is the consistency?

O-K. here we go .. again.

Gordon and Johnson were penalized because the fender had been modified after NASCAR had issued pre-season warnings about messing with the body of the COT. their infraction was found in pre-qualifying inspection. they were DQ'd from qualifying, but being "Chosen" they used the Chosen provisional to get into the race.

Jr. was penalized for having old, no longer legal parts previously used in testing on his COT. his infraction was found during post-qualifying inspection, having been passed in pre-qualifying. his qualifying run was DQ'd and since he was also Chosen, used that provisional to get into the race.

Vickers was penalized for the left front corner of the car being too low. the infraction was found during post qualifying inspection; he had passed the pre-qualifying inspection. NASCAR inspectors said the infraction was probably cause by a part failure, though none were found during the time NASCAR allowed the team to investigate and fix the problem. his qualifying time was DQ'd and because he was not Chosen, he had no provisional with which to get into the race, so went home.

In all cases, the qualifying times were not allowed. In the first 3 instances, the drivers were penalized, the owners were penalized, the crew chiefs were fined and suspended for 6 races, but because the drivers were in the top 35 in driver points, they were allowed to use their "Chosen" provisional to get into the race. In the last instance, no fines nor penalties were imposed, but because the driver was not in the top 35 in driver points and had no other provisional, he was not allowed into the race.

in my opinion NASCAR was consistent in regards to these incidents. however, you might have a different opinion.

[Pepsi One]

Originally Posted by jks812

If I was Jimmie I would be questioning Chad about why, if I'm such a great driver and I have the best equipment, does he feel like we even have to cheat at all.

Who doesn't love a little extra somthing, you know just in case!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Racer Duck

O-K. here we go .. again.

Gordon and Johnson were penalized because the fender had been modified after NASCAR had issued pre-season warnings about messing with the body of the COT. their infraction was found in pre-qualifying inspection. they were DQ'd from qualifying, but being "Chosen" they used the Chosen provisional to get into the race.

Jr. was penalized for having old, no longer legal parts previously used in testing on his COT. his infraction was found during post-qualifying inspection, having been passed in pre-qualifying. his qualifying run was DQ'd and since he was also Chosen, used that provisional to get into the race.

Vickers was penalized for the left front corner of the car being too low. the infraction was found during post qualifying inspection; he had passed the pre-qualifying inspection. NASCAR inspectors said the infraction was probably cause by a part failure, though none were found during the time NASCAR allowed the team to investigate and fix the problem. his qualifying time was DQ'd and because he was not Chosen, he had no provisional with which to get into the race, so went home.

In all cases, the qualifying times were not allowed. In the first 3 instances, the drivers were penalized, the owners were penalized, the crew chiefs were fined and suspended for 6 races, but because the drivers were in the top 35 in driver points, they were allowed to use their "Chosen" provisional to get into the race. In the last instance, no fines nor penalties were imposed, but because the driver was not in the top 35 in driver points and had no other provisional, he was not allowed into the race.

in my opinion NASCAR was consistent in regards to these incidents. however, you might have a different opinion.

Very well explained Ducky. Hopefully this question of inconsistency will not resurface again. Of course if they didn't cheat (Knaus) it wouldn't be an issue.

[jks812]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Very well explained Ducky. Hopefully this question of inconsistency will not resurface again. Of course if they didn't cheat (Knaus) it wouldn't be an issue.

Knaus and not cheat belong in the same sentence about as much as Nascar and consistent do.

[lilsexy08]

Cheating in Nascar has always been going on since Nascar started, its no new thing!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by lilsexy08

Cheating in Nascar has always been going on since Nascar started, its no new thing!

Absolutely not new, but that certainly doesn't make it right or OK.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Absolutely not new, but that certainly doesn't make it right or OK.

Hendrick didn't agree with you.... until recently that is