[nascarfan24]

that car would not have been allowed to race if it was still illeagle!
come on people!

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Curves24

Jimmie himself didn't cheat!

Here's the problem with this statement... had it been any other driver other than a Hendrick driver then crew chief and driver would be considered one. When Nascar fined Slugger Labbe when he was DJ's crew chief everyone said DJ was a cheater. So Jimmie cheated hence whether he knew about it or not. I'm just tryin to keep it consistent with all drivers. His car should have been yanked and him have to satrt with the backup car. That would have been a proper penalty.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Here's the problem with this statement... had it been any other driver other than a Hendrick driver then crew chief and driver would be considered one. When Nascar fined Slugger Labbe when he was DJ's crew chief everyone said DJ was a cheater. So Jimmie cheated hence whether he knew about it or not. I'm just tryin to keep it consistent with all drivers. His car should have been yanked and him have to satrt with the backup car. That would have been a proper penalty.

Who's called DJ a cheater? I don't think I have.

If the car was fixed and passed inspection why shouldn't he be able to race? OMG no one but Hendricks have been caught cheating?

You have to remember that according to the HMS haters, every one of the HMS drivers/teams cheat. And when their driver cheats, there like its ok. Its a typical HMS hater, you just have to get used to them. There is a particular quote that states ''If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" But when it comes to Hendrick Motorsports, that's not the case according to HMS haters, but when its their teams, that is the case. Don't blame the driver, blame the person who cheated. Jimmie Johnson was not the one who cheated, Chad Kanus did, so don't blame Johnson for it.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Who's called DJ a cheater? I don't think I have.

I don't point fingers. I have heard fans (in person not on this forum) call DJ a cheater, and to further my point Harvick a cheater when it was his crew chief that did it. Mike lots of people think Hendrick's organization is a bunch of cheaters cause well he is a criminal and they have been caught cheatin over the years. That's all I'm sayin on that subject. Just my 2 cents.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I don't point fingers. I have heard fans (in person not on this forum) call DJ a cheater, and to further my point Harvick a cheater when it was his crew chief that did it. Mike lots of people think Hendrick's organization is a bunch of cheaters cause well he is a criminal and they have been caught cheatin over the years. That's all I'm sayin on that subject. Just my 2 cents.

Everyone goes outside the box, no different with HMS.

[lilsexy08]

As for me which you all should guess what I would say-Tony Stewart. Even though he didn't make the chase this year, he is still one of the best drivers out their with his experience and skill I think he should be the Driver of the Year!

[KENVOL]

I can think of three I think deserve it. Tony, Casey, and Jimmy. Any of those I think have earned it.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by Curves24

If the car was fixed and passed inspection why shouldn't he be able to race? OMG no one but Hendricks have been caught cheating?

You have hit on one of Nascars major faults. They should not be allowed to "fix" what they knew was illegal to begin with. If a car shows up at the track with an obviously intentional attempt at bending the rules, it should not be allowed to compete. I guarantee you that would put a stop to a lot of "Knausing". If they get slapped on the wrist for doing something illegal that was flagrant, whats to stop them from trying it again? Putting 'em on the trailer is a guarantee to stop that kind of BS.

Oh, and I'm not just talking about Hendrick cars, but anyone out there. They just seem to be a lot softer with their punishments on "The Chosen Few".

[clutch]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I repsect your thoughts... but after him cheatin at Daytona I think the only thing he deserves is to slam the wall at Homestead. IMHO

It was just Knaus's interpretation of the rules

...have you never heard that one before

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

You have hit on one of Nascars major faults. They should not be allowed to "fix" what they knew was illegal to begin with. If a car shows up at the track with an obviously intentional attempt at bending the rules, it should not be allowed to compete. I guarantee you that would put a stop to a lot of "Knausing". If they get slapped on the wrist for doing something illegal that was flagrant, whats to stop them from trying it again? Putting 'em on the trailer is a guarantee to stop that kind of BS.

Oh, and I'm not just talking about Hendrick cars, but anyone out there. They just seem to be a lot softer with their punishments on "The Chosen Few".

Waaahoooooo ...... my definition of cheating finally makes it into a post without my prodding !!! Thanks Nevada. You've made it officially an official NA$CAR term.

[Curves24]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

You have hit on one of Nascars major faults. They should not be allowed to "fix" what they knew was illegal to begin with. If a car shows up at the track with an obviously intentional attempt at bending the rules, it should not be allowed to compete. I guarantee you that would put a stop to a lot of "Knausing". If they get slapped on the wrist for doing something illegal that was flagrant, whats to stop them from trying it again? Putting 'em on the trailer is a guarantee to stop that kind of BS.

Oh, and I'm not just talking about Hendrick cars, but anyone out there. They just seem to be a lot softer with their punishments on "The Chosen Few".

Ok, since I am no where as knowledgeable as you few, has any other car/team that got caught cheating had to put the car in the trailer and use their backup or not race?
The subject of this thread was who do YOU think is the best driver this year. I didn't see where it was asked for anyone to give their opinion towards other posters and who they pick.
And now you call any type of cheating Knausing?
I thought maybe it was just Jeff Gordon that is not liked here, but now I see it is all HMS. Basically as long as you root for a non HMS driver you won't get contradicted by what you say. As a HMS fan that is why I don't/won't post here much. LSC why ask a question for others opinions? Just so you can bait those who give their opinions. This forum should be labeled HMS NON FRIENDLY IMO.
I respect others opinions, and I don't trash other drivers. The Knaus thing was early this year move on. I can see it now if JJ wins the cup, you all will have a field day on why he doesn't deserve it, and I don't even need a crystal ball lmao

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Curves24

Ok, since I am no where as knowledgeable as you few, has any other car/team that got caught cheating had to put the car in the trailer and use their backup or not race?
The subject of this thread was who do YOU think is the best driver this year. I didn't see where it was asked for anyone to give their opinion towards other posters and who they pick.
And now you call any type of cheating Knausing?
I thought maybe it was just Jeff Gordon that is not liked here, but now I see it is all HMS. Basically as long as you root for a non HMS driver you won't get contradicted by what you say. As a HMS fan that is why I don't/won't post here much. LSC why ask a question for others opinions? Just so you can bait those who give their opinions. This forum should be labeled HMS NON FRIENDLY IMO.
I respect others opinions, and I don't trash other drivers. The Knaus thing was early this year move on. I can see it now if JJ wins the cup, you all will have a field day on why he doesn't deserve it, and I don't even need a crystal ball lmao

Curves it's not LSC's fault and do not blame him. It got started after I said I respected someone's opinion, but I didn't agree with it and made the comment about cheatin at Daytona. That started it. I did not know it would snowball as it did, and it was not intended for it to snowball. Some others just took off withit... and I did not help after it did start to snowball. So if anyone is to blame... I will take the blame for it.

As for driver of the year.... I will say Bobby Labonte for his helping to turn the 43 car program around. Can we stay on topic now please.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Curves24

Ok, since I am no where as knowledgeable as you few, has any other car/team that got caught cheating had to put the car in the trailer and use their backup or not race?
The subject of this thread was who do YOU think is the best driver this year. I didn't see where it was asked for anyone to give their opinion towards other posters and who they pick.
And now you call any type of cheating Knausing?
I thought maybe it was just Jeff Gordon that is not liked here, but now I see it is all HMS. Basically as long as you root for a non HMS driver you won't get contradicted by what you say. As a HMS fan that is why I don't/won't post here much. LSC why ask a question for others opinions? Just so you can bait those who give their opinions. This forum should be labeled HMS NON FRIENDLY IMO.
I respect others opinions, and I don't trash other drivers. The Knaus thing was early this year move on. I can see it now if JJ wins the cup, you all will have a field day on why he doesn't deserve it, and I don't even need a crystal ball lmao

Curves Curves Curves..... rofl. Agreed 100%.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Curves24

Ok, since I am no where as knowledgeable as you few, has any other car/team that got caught cheating had to put the car in the trailer and use their backup or not race?
The subject of this thread was who do YOU think is the best driver this year. I didn't see where it was asked for anyone to give their opinion towards other posters and who they pick.
And now you call any type of cheating Knausing?
I thought maybe it was just Jeff Gordon that is not liked here, but now I see it is all HMS. Basically as long as you root for a non HMS driver you won't get contradicted by what you say. As a HMS fan that is why I don't/won't post here much. LSC why ask a question for others opinions? Just so you can bait those who give their opinions. This forum should be labeled HMS NON FRIENDLY IMO.
I respect others opinions, and I don't trash other drivers. The Knaus thing was early this year move on. I can see it now if JJ wins the cup, you all will have a field day on why he doesn't deserve it, and I don't even need a crystal ball lmao

For me it'll be somewhat the opposite. If, and he probably will, does win then I think he will deserve it ..... according to the rules of the chase. Now the chase is another whole subject and since this thread is about Driver of the year I won't get into that subject.

As far as HMS friendly some are and some are not. I, personally have no big issue with HMS. Chad Knaus is only a small part of HMS. He did in fact try to enter a car that was not legal. That is another subject.
I dislike Stewart for his attitude but I do not dislike Gibbs Racing.

I do not start threads to "bait" posters into saying things I can turn around on them. I start threads to promote interest in the NASCAR Forum and to keep lively discussions going. It will be a long 90 plus days without any races for NASCAR fans and I can almost promise you there will be talk about drivers and teams that will irritate some posters. More importantly there will be information and discussion that will keep NASCAR fans active through out our drought.

Now for me driver of the year would be Tony Stewart. Mind you I do not care for him but in my eyes he has once again proven the "Chase" a farce and when it was (not)needed he poured on the wins. His biggest downfall for the year was to publicly call for safer driving and then pushes Kenseth off the track. A little hippocritcal on his part but I still think even though I find him aggressive he knows what needs to be done and how to do it.

[Curves24]

I don't know who exactly to respond to on this one, so I won't use anyone paticular quote. Q88 I don't feel anyone is to blame. LSC I didn't mean you intentionally did anything and I apologize for that. When a question is posed like who is the best driver this year, you are wanting people to answer. Maybe it should have been a poll lol.
Q88 your right it has snowballed, but if someone answers the post question let them. It is funny how after I bring this to light you actually answered the original question. You waited for someone to answer so you could contridict them if you didn't agree.
Look I don't want trouble, and I sure am not going to change the driver(s) or teams that I love, so I am respectfully going to go back to a site that seems more like a family, where people respect each other.
I personally think there should be a warning here that states
"If you answer any of these questions, and especially if you answer anything to do with HMS, you will be debated with."
I am sure you all are nice people, but you should learn to respect others opinions, and not give others a hard time unless you know them and know they won't take you wrong.
Bye