[LSC9901]

Unofficial "Classic" Points Standings
...the old way, not the Chase after Texas:
1) #17-Matt Kenseth 4875
2) #48-Jimmie Johnson 4840, -35
3) #29-Kevin Harvick 4493, -382
4) #20-Tony Stewart 4488, -387
5) #11-Denny Hamlin 4395, -480
6) #8-Dale Earnhardt Jr. 4392, -483
7) #5-Kyle Busch 4313, -562
8 -)#24-Jeff Gordon 4311, -564
9) #31-Jeff Burton 4280, -595
10) #6-Mark Martin 4220, -655
11) #9-Kasey Kahne 4181, -694
12) #99-Carl Edwards 4131, -744
13) #16-Greg Biffle 3829, -1046
(11-5-2006)


Credit Jayski.Com

[wingkey1]

Perhaps it would be appropriate to to calculate and present standings based on the Classic Classic points system, then the Classic Classic Classic points system, then the -------

In order that this might be done, the following is provided to assist the "poster" ---


From the beginning of championship series until 1967 championship points were based on prize money purses. Races with lesser purses paid fewer points than races with bigger purses.

First, NASCAR point system used for championship from 1949 till 1951 awarded points on basis 10 points for the 1st place, 9 pts for 2nd, 8 pts for 3rd and so on, multiplied by 0.05*race purse (Race worth $4000 paid 200 points to the winner, 180 for 2nd place...). No info about how many points were given to drivers finishing below 10th place.

From 1952 till 1967, NASCAR point system was based on linear scale for first 25 positions: 25-24-23-... Coefficients changed, but were always depending on prize money. From 25th place down there were awarded the same number of points.
In 1968, NASCAR started to award points depending on race distance, not prize money. Point system was 50-49-48-... multiplied by 1 for events to 249 miles, 2 for events 250-399 miles and 3 for events 400 miles and more. System stopped from 50th place. This system was in use until the end of 1971 season.

In 1972, together with shortening the schedule, the point system was also modified. Basic points of 100-98-96-... were awarded for each race. Additionally, lap points were awarded for the number of laps completed. Tracks under 1 mile, 0.25 points a lap; 1-mile tracks, 0.50; 1.3-mile track (Darlington), 0.70; 1.5-mile tracks, 0.75; 2-mile tracks (Michigan), 1.00; tracks 2.5 miles and over, 1.25. This system was also used in 1973.

In 1974, the points system was simple: Total money winnings from all track purses (qualifying and contingency awards did not count), in dollars, multiplied by the number of races started, and the resulting figure divided by 1,000 determined the number of points earned. By the end of the season Richard Petty had such a big lead in points, that he increased it even by finishing 30th while his main rival Cale Yarborough made a top-5 (Remember - the money was multiplied by the number of races started. Even if Cale made more money in one particular race, when the total money was multiplied by e. g. 27, the difference between the two leaders could also increase in comparison with situation after race 26).

The current NASCAR points system was developed in 1975 following years of trouble in trying to develop a points system -- from 1949 until 1971, six different systems were used, and in 1972, NASCAR used a different system each year for the next three years.

That type of inconsistency, which included a system, which rewarded most mileage for the entire season, and then another year where mileage and finishing positions were counted, favored larger circuits, and some fans complained about a champion who only won one race. That resulted in a 1974 ill-fated attempt at basing the points system on money and starts. Even though one driver won consecutive races, his opponent who had won the big money races had scored more points.
Bob Latford, a former public relations official at Lowe's Motor Speedway, devised NASCAR's most popular points system, which was adopted in 1975, which NASCAR used two different versions for their series from 1982 until 1998. In the system, the winner received 175 points, second 170 points, and other positions exactly the same as the current points system.

One complaint about the points system was how a driver could finish second and receive an equal number of points as a race winner, which was possible if the driver who led the most laps finished second. NASCAR fixed the problem in 2004 by adding five points to the winner.

[LSC9901]

Great info. I had pretty much forgotten thatthere had been different point systems. It is quite obvious to me that we are way overdue for a new points system. Question is how can it be done to mess things up to the greatest degree ???

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Great info. I had pretty much forgotten thatthere had been different point systems. It is quite obvious to me that we are way overdue for a new points system. Question is how can it be done to mess things up to the greatest degree ???

Ummmmmm ---- Yen?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Great info. I had pretty much forgotten thatthere had been different point systems. It is quite obvious to me that we are way overdue for a new points system. Question is how can it be done to mess things up to the greatest degree ???

hmmm.... how bout we make the chasers qualify to make it next year in the first five races... you know, they would have to qualify on time rather than have a gauranteed startin spot. That could screw things up and make things interesting all at the same time.

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by Quality88

hmmm.... how bout we make the chasers qualify to make it next year in the first five races... you know, they would have to qualify on time rather than have a gauranteed startin spot. That could screw things up and make things interesting all at the same time.

Now be careful there Quality 88. Your approach just might be taken serious and implemented. Then here, I would be near willing to wager, is something that you will see (Of course this will be true no matter what or who’s point system is/has/will ever be implemented).

Demonstrations of how standings show different using different/other/previous approaches – To which you may be inclined to respond - no crap Sherlock, really!? What a friggin’ genius.

Then there will be – "look where my guy would be if –"

Again you may find yourself feeling the need to respond - Yeah well so would my guy, and my guy is Donald Duck. Unfortunately much like your guy, my guy and his team weren’t smart/lucky/intelligent enough to be able to successfully work within what is. Wait a minute, let me run some numbers here --- in a few moments I’ll have ol’ Donald looking like an 8 time Grand National/Winston Cup/Nextel Cup winner. I'll surely at least get him within the current top 10.

One of us needs time in the penalty box.

[tbalt]

I would love to see them always ( all drivers ) qualify for the race each week without relying on owner points.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by tbalt

I would love to see them always ( all drivers ) qualify for the race each week without relying on owner points.

Exactly the way it should be.