[LSC9901]

Welcome back Bob. So what is your take on qualifying points ?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Welcome back Bob. So what is your take on qualifying points ?

I would be totally in favor of qualifying points. I would think 5 for pole and 3 for outside pole would be fine IF they qualified each week, but rainouts would degrade the qualifying points thing so much that it might be thought to not be equitable.

I would much, much, much rather see them do COMPLETELY away with ALL provisionals and guaranteed starters and have the fastest 43 start the race.

I would go this far to protect NA$CAR from the possibility of having one oif their "chosen" not qualify fast enough:

Let all cars make one qualifying attempt. Let the slowest times from 33 back elect to either stand on their times or throw them out and give it a second attempt. Have a half-hour break then let those who want a second chance to requalify. They have the option of making the attempt in the original car or going to a backup. The fastest ten make the race starting at position 34. The rest go home, NO MATTER WHETHER THEIR NAME IS EARNHARDT OR CHAFFIN.

And that, my friend, is what I think of qualifying.

[LSC9901]

I don't know how or why but I had this sneaking thought that you would have a point of view on the subject. I'd like to see more points awarded as that would be more of an encouragement to work at qualifying well. As for having guaranteed spots for any drivers ... this is another of the total BS plans to keep the big named teams and sponsors on the track. I like the idea of having a 2nd qualifying chance. That is sort of like races of old. 1st heat qualifier, 2nd, semi's ....... If you're gonna get in the big show you gotta earn it.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I don't know how or why but I had this sneaking thought that you would have a point of view on the subject.

A point of view? Moi? One of these days I'll break out of my shell and relate what I REALLY think about things. <VBG>

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I don't know how or why but I had this sneaking thought that you would have a point of view on the subject. I'd like to see more points awarded as that would be more of an encouragement to work at qualifying well. As for having guaranteed spots for any drivers ... this is another of the total BS plans to keep the big named teams and sponsors on the track. I like the idea of having a 2nd qualifying chance. That is sort of like races of old. 1st heat qualifier, 2nd, semi's ....... If you're gonna get in the big show you gotta earn it.

Actually, beside my plan of having to qualify fast enough to make the race, I think getting pit selection based on qualifying speed is enough of an incentive, especially at "real" tracks like Bristol, Martinsville, N. Wilksboro and Rockingham. (Ooops! I doth live in the past, don't I?)

[A pirate]

I had thought about giving points for qualifying but I would just give them to the pole winner. The point about pit selection noted Bob, I suppose that is what is important at "real" tracks. I do like your idea on the 43rd fastest making the race but I wouldn't give them a second go round it would force the teams to focus on qualifying more in practice. Making pit stops during the race even more important to "fix" cars that missed on their race setup. I would give a single provisional to the defending champion only.

[nascarfan24]

Originally Posted by A pirate

First I change the amount given per race:

1st place gets 43 - 43rd gets 1 all the way down
1 point for leading a lap
1 point for leading the most laps
10 points for leading the last lap

55 points possible per race. I haven't "tried" it out yet but I will and I'll post the results here.

Then I do the playoffs the right way. Top 11 driver points are in and I start it 10 races left in the season. Everyone else gets to fight it out for 12th.

Here is the change though. In the first playoff race, whichever driver finishes last out of the 11 "playoff contenders" he/she gets 11th. Next race decides 10th and so on and so on. That would be a real playoff system. The build up to the last race would be great. I would implement it in all NASCAR sanctioned series.

What do you all think?

i don't know if id like the fact that only two cars would have a shot to win at homestead other than that i love that idea!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by A pirate

I had thought about giving points for qualifying but I would just give them to the pole winner. The point about pit selection noted Bob, I suppose that is what is important at "real" tracks. I do like your idea on the 43rd fastest making the race but I wouldn't give them a second go round it would force the teams to focus on qualifying more in practice. Making pit stops during the race even more important to "fix" cars that missed on their race setup. I would give a single provisional to the defending champion only.

I gave this format a lot of thought. Let me give you my rationale for my second qualifying segment and my thought on a "provisional."

(a) 2nd Qaulifying: People pay good money to come watch them qualify so how about giving the paying fans a deal and let them see some scrambling and last minute strategy? Besides, I recognize that it is important to have the favourite drivers in the show, and if one blows a tire on his qualifying run and tears up his primary car, I say give him a chance to come back.

Where some fun would come into play is...let's say we have 48 cars entered. After Qual round #1 the top 33 are locked in and the next ten have an option of throwing out their run and tryingt to requalify. With 48 entries we will have five go home. How will the guys who qualified 37th, 38th or 39th go, requalify or stand on their times and sweat it out? A little bit of drama for the people who came to watch them qualify, as it were.

The only change I didn't mention was that I would make each qualifying run two qualifying laps and his official time would be the total of his two laps. No more of this crappy wasting a lap at Daytona or Talladega, but rather they would have to make every second under the green flag count.

(b) Provisional spots. I hate them. It reflects nothing of what a driver did on the track on that particular day, only what they've done in the past. personally, I think all provisionals rank up there with root canals and halitosis as things I like. However, IF a champ's provisional is absolutely necessary, please don't send a faster car home just so a guy living on his laurals can start the race. Just add one more spot and start 44 cars, giving 43rd and 44th finishers 34 points each.

[wardfan]

Wouldn't there be a problem of points for qualifying because of some of the races were they are not allowed to work on the car after qualifying? I understood this was suppose to be one of those cost saving measures. So if they awarded points for qualifying wouldn't they have to do away with that?

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wardfan

Wouldn't there be a problem of points for qualifying because of some of the races were they are not allowed to work on the car after qualifying? I understood this was suppose to be one of those cost saving measures. So if they awarded points for qualifying wouldn't they have to do away with that?

Correct me if I misunderstand you but if that is the case then you qualify in race trim and go from there or you qualify in qualifying trim and hope you can make the changes as the race proceeds.

Either way it isn't going to happen.

[wardfan]

that was my point about them not necessarily trying to hard to qualify well. Before they could set up to just run the 2 laps to qualify. They could change the engine and everything to a race set up. But now they have to be more conservative because the car has to qualify and race. I think of it as kind of have a "sprinter" to qualify and a "long distance runner" for the race if you know what I'm getting at.

[A pirate]

Bob, again point well taken on the qualifying thing and i agree it would be more interesting your way, though I might only let half the field qualify (22) for the first time. I would also make it a 44 car field because honestly what's one more? That and I like the fact of 22 full rows just my own personal thing. That way too, the 43 fastest still make the race.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wardfan

that was my point about them not necessarily trying to hard to qualify well. Before they could set up to just run the 2 laps to qualify. They could change the engine and everything to a race set up. But now they have to be more conservative because the car has to qualify and race. I think of it as kind of have a "sprinter" to qualify and a "long distance runner" for the race if you know what I'm getting at.

That in itself is another one of the things about todays NASCAR that bugs me. The qualifying car isn't the same car they are going to race. In my mind you might as well qualify with a jet engine and then you can race the "race car". Sort of like studying hard for a test that you are going to take with an open book. Makes no sense.

[oncea3fan]

bob,
I really like your points set up, although I'd add a 20 pts for a pole and 15-2 back to 15th. this will make top 10 car go for it evan if he has no chance of a pole, he still go after the points for top 15.

lock in the top 30 on 1st round ,then let them sort out the last 13 plus one champ prov. on 2nd round.

and the champ must try a 2nd round, if he makes 38th then he must start 38th and then if theres not another champ in 2nd round then you a 43 car field. no choice to take the champ prov. to let someone gain a starting spot.

shame we can't elect a new NASCAR president.

Bob Tanner for Pres.