[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

How much do I hate thee ?? Let me count the ways.

This is a subject that comes up on these forums occassionally and the reason why it comes up is what angers me. "MY" opinion is that cup drivers should race in the cup series and that is it. I know there are differeing opinions and I really do respect them. I get angry because someone like Kevin Harvick, a cup driver with big financial backing, comes down to the minor leagues and tears them a new rump. Granted he has run the entire series but all the others use it as a testing ground and a tune up for the cup race...

Yep, Couldn't have said it better

Originally Posted by LSC9901

To me the idea that the Busch series needs a chase is insane. My perception of Busch is that it the final step in the training ground for the Cup series. How many triple "A" baseball teams are seen on TV ???? They do have a series championship .... after the regular season. The minor leagues are what they are ... training grounds. Other than for rehab how many major league ball players return to the minors to help the team win a championship ? Right !!!!! NONE..

The "runaway" thing happens about once or twice every decade in EVERY form of sport that doesn't have a governing body which is obcessed with over-regulation. All NA$CAR'S playoff system is, is a method to manipulate the season's outcome.

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Brian France is in the NA$CAR business to make money. Plain and simple. He is also destroying the long standing relationsip of the fans. I could go on and on over this subject as it is probably the one, or at least a major one, that just irritates the bejeezum out of me..

Brian is just doing what Bill Sr and Bill Jr did during their reigns. He's just doing it when a lot of fans are a lot more aware of NA$CAR's overall objective. Remember, Bill Sr is the guy who chased MOPAR out of the series not once, but twice, with over-regulation.

Your point of Brian's destroying the relationship with long-time NASCAR fans hit the nail right on the head. There is a thread right now entitled "Why do you watch NASCAR?" Speaking onlyu for myself, but I have a suspicion I'm not alone, watching NASCAR is like a wreck along the highway. You really don't want to look but between [morbid] curiousity and there not being much else to look at, you just can't help but sneak a glance.

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Go play on your own ball field.

Can I get an "Amen!," Brother?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Can I get an "Amen!," Brother?

AMEN!





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[thunderfoot]

Here is the answer to all of our problems.

Split NASCAR in 2 or 3 or 4 divisions of the cup series. Split evenly I might add. Teams choose their division by what track is on the schedule they want. Combined division races at Daytona, Dega and Charlotte. Like when the MLB American league play the National league. The winners of the divisions go to the playoffs. And there is no swapping divisions. We have enough tracks to where an even amount of intermediate, short and supers that all get to have a level playing field.Where a champion emerges from all the piles of crap the teams, sponsors, Big Daddy B.F. and what the fans throw in to make it a little more of a mess. Simple, yes?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by thunderfoot

Here is the answer to all of our problems.

Split NASCAR in 2 or 3 or 4 divisions of the cup series. Split evenly I might add. Teams choose their division by what track is on the schedule they want. Combined division races at Daytona, Dega and Charlotte. Like when the MLB American league play the National league. The winners of the divisions go to the playoffs. And there is no swapping divisions. We have enough tracks to where an even amount of intermediate, short and supers that all get to have a level playing field.Where a champion emerges from all the piles of crap the teams, sponsors, Big Daddy B.F. and what the fans throw in to make it a little more of a mess. Simple, yes?

Simple from a pure sportsd point of view. A disaster from a NA$CAR point of view, which is a race is simply not a race unless the stands are filled. NA$CAR, being a sport centered around not competition but around drivers and their personalities, think the seats can not be filled unless the sports "stars" (read media-hyped prima donnas) are in EVERY race. (for example, if The King if the Red Army were in the Southern Division, the seats in the other three divisions would go empty because the main draw isn't in the field. (This is my perception of NA$CAR state of mind, NOT MY PERSONAL BELIEFS!)

Besides, you might not remember but Bruton Smith and Humpy Wheeler brought a version of your idea to the surface a decade ago (two divisions, not four) and it never got off the ground.

[bob101]

Ban the chase all together in every series. It makes drivers change the way they approach a race depending on where they are either in or out of the top 12...and that changes as the season ends. I want all drivers out there driving to win.

Cup drivers in the Busch series. I don't mind. It's a whole other race series. No one complains when the cup drivers like Kenny Schraeder races in the truck series.

Now if NASCAR wants to designate Busch as a developmental series (which it currently isn't labeled as such - just a smaller series with a different rule set).

Now if they designate it as a developmental series then you could limit the number of appearances by cup drivers who are full time etc....

Personally I like the cup drivers in Busch cars...especially after the COT made it's debut. I'd rather watch Busch races now than cup races for the most part.

[thunderfoot]

I didnt say it was good. Just simple