[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Though I'd love to, I can't take credit for the "NA$CARmobile" title. I'm not that clever. That came from Rusty Wallace back around...? 1988, when NA$CAR began redesigning the Monte Carlo SS's rear ends.

As for a change, how about this: Let the Cup Raiders run in BGN if they really want to BUT charge the team of any Cup driver who runs a BGN race a practice.

I see this as a good solution because

(a) NA$CAR isn't taking the ability to run an accompanying series from it's drivers, it's just setting a price, and

(b)It's legitimate because I have heard numerous Cup primmadonas state that they gain knowledge about the track and tires during some their raids into BGN territory.

(c) It has the potential to give the series back to the David Rag-e/a-n's and the kids who need time in a race car seat, not a grandstand seat watching Cup drivers beat up on lesser teams.

Hell of an idea. Pay to race at the lower level. I like it

[LSC9901]

I've said all along that it nothing but a practice session for the cup boys. An alternative might be to just offer more practice sessions to teams. After all the baseball, basketball, football etc, teams all practice before the big game !!!

[oncea3fan]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

Though I'd love to, I can't take credit for the "NA$CARmobile" title. I'm not that clever. That came from Rusty Wallace back around...? 1988, when NA$CAR began redesigning the Monte Carlo SS's rear ends.

As for a change, how about this: Let the Cup Raiders run in BGN if they really want to BUT charge the team of any Cup driver who runs a BGN race a practice.

I see this as a good solution because

(a) NA$CAR isn't taking the ability to run an accompanying series from it's drivers, it's just setting a price, and

(b)It's legitimate because I have heard numerous Cup primmadonas state that they gain knowledge about the track and tires during some their raids into BGN territory.

(c) It has the potential to give the series back to the David Rag-e/a-n's and the kids who need time in a race car seat, not a grandstand seat watching Cup drivers beat up on lesser teams.

do you mean charge them a test date???, or a monatary charge as if renting the track ??? either way it a good idea!

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

do you mean charge them a test date???, or a monatary charge as if renting the track ??? either way it a good idea!

Charge the team a test date. These teams live and die by the number of test they do. That's yet another reason why it's so unfair to the single-car teams; the mega-teams use one tests session for one car to actually test for all the teams the owner has.

But, as NA$CAR continues to try and convince the public, NA$CAR is all about fairness and everyopne competing on a "level playing field."

Phhhhhhhhhhhfffffttttttttt!!!!!!

[LSC9901]

How did they determine the number of tests allowed and what does anyone/everyone think as to why they have a limited number of tests?

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

How did they determine the number of tests allowed and what does anyone/everyone think as to why they have a limited number of tests?

It's a magical, mystical figure that NA$CAR comes up with, based on the square root of pi combined with which house the moon is in on the last day of the previous season and whether it is a leap year.

NA$CAR reasoning for limiting the number of test on tracks that Cup runs on is the infamous "desire to cut costs for the teams." However, they can test on any track which Cup does not run on and I guess this creates a much lower overhead per test, eh?? For example, if they want a second test at Charlotte (approx 20 miles from the shops) no can do, but NA$CAR has no problem with them hauling the team and car up to Kentucky ( approx...? 300 miles). Yep. Sounds like a good economical rule to me.

It amazes me as to how close to the government that NA$CAR comes in some of its rulings. Scarey.

[LSC9901]

So you are saying that the number is basically an arbitrary number ?? The reasoning seems just short of .... well .... STUPID !!! No surprise. Does this mean that it is more economical to run a race in Busch versus a test run at some track ??? I was financially smart enough to retire at a young age but I guess I don't get the finances of NA$$$$CAR.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

So you are saying that the number is basically an arbitrary number ?? The reasoning seems just short of .... well .... STUPID !!! No surprise. Does this mean that it is more economical to run a race in Busch versus a test run at some track ??? I was financially smart enough to retire at a young age but I guess I don't get the finances of NA$$$$CAR.

I believe that NASCAR has some convoluted reasoning in their option for number of tests but I'm not sure what it is. But I'm sure they rationalize it by talking economics.

Is it more economical to race Cup Lite rather than test? I see a couple of factors here.

(a) You don't get paid to run tests. There is a degree of compensation for "testing" in a Cup Lite race, both from the race purse and the sponsors.

(b) Often a test is run a month or more before an actual race. Running a "test" over the same weekend as the race itself gives a team a better idea of climate and affects and current track conditions. Also it is impossible to run a test in actual race conditions, where in "testing" in Cup Lite, it become reality.

(c) The mega-team owners use the Cup Lite race as a real time training /practice session for their pit crew.

It is probably more expensive to field a Cup Lite team and race it, but I see it as largely beneficial also, even though the cars run a different wheelbase and a lower compression engine.

But then, what do I know?

I, too, am often mystified by NA$CAR's concept of financial management but... Brian France is looking to buy a major league ball team and I, on the other hand, would have to give it serious thought before I bought a used Jaguar. So, they obviously know something I don't, eh? But then I am also totally mystified by the fact that so many Americans accept this Ponzi Scheme they call Social Security but that is a topic for another venue, isn't it?

[wingkey1]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

So you are saying that the number is basically an arbitrary number ?? The reasoning seems just short of .... well .... STUPID !!! No surprise. Does this mean that it is more economical to run a race in Busch versus a test run at some track ??? I was financially smart enough to retire at a young age but I guess I don't get the finances of NA$$$$CAR.

Ready for your headache? Please accept my apology in advance.

Here is NASCAR's 2004 test schedule / definition:

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR announced changes in testing policies for the 2004 NASCAR Nextel Cup Series, NASCAR Busch Series and NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, increasing the number of tests available to teams at facilities hosting events on the three 2004 national series schedules.

For the NASCAR Nextel Cup and the NASCAR Busch Series, the new policies allow for five two-day private-car tests and four single-day tests (14 total days); teams with Rookie of the Year candidates will be permitted seven two-day tests and five single-day tests (19 total days). Previously, teams were allowed five two-day tests while rookies were allowed nine two-day tests.

For the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, all manufacturers will be allotted two two-day test sessions at a track of their choice, provided the track hosts a series event. In addition, each team will be allotted two private, two-day tests – thus increasing the maximum number of test days to eight. Those tests must be at a track on the series schedule, provided all series races at that track have been held.
In addition:

As in the past, all teams are free to test at facilities that do not host national series events, with those tests not counting toward their allotment.

For the NASCAR Nextel Cup and NASCAR Busch Series, new teams or those not among the top 45 in the 2003 owner points and/or in the top 45 in the current season's owner points will receive one two-day test and one single-day test (total of three days) until they attempt to qualify for a race. Each time a qualification attempt is made, teams will receive an additional two-day/single-day allotment, up to the maximum amount.

The three-day test sessions at NASCAR Preseason Thunder count as a two-day test for all teams in the NASCAR Nextel Cup and NASCAR Busch Series. NASCAR Preseason Thunder does not count against NASCAR Craftsman Truck teams' allotment.

There ya go. Now, no more questions. Try to read through one time only then explain it to the next person you see.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wingkey1

Ready for your headache? Please accept my apology in advance.

Here is NASCAR's 2004 test schedule / definition:

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- NASCAR announced changes in testing policies for the 2004 NASCAR Nextel Cup Series, NASCAR Busch Series and NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, increasing the number of tests available to teams at facilities hosting events on the three 2004 national series schedules.

For the NASCAR Nextel Cup and the NASCAR Busch Series, the new policies allow for five two-day private-car tests and four single-day tests (14 total days); teams with Rookie of the Year candidates will be permitted seven two-day tests and five single-day tests (19 total days). Previously, teams were allowed five two-day tests while rookies were allowed nine two-day tests.

For the NASCAR Craftsman Truck Series, all manufacturers will be allotted two two-day test sessions at a track of their choice, provided the track hosts a series event. In addition, each team will be allotted two private, two-day tests – thus increasing the maximum number of test days to eight. Those tests must be at a track on the series schedule, provided all series races at that track have been held.
In addition:

As in the past, all teams are free to test at facilities that do not host national series events, with those tests not counting toward their allotment.

For the NASCAR Nextel Cup and NASCAR Busch Series, new teams or those not among the top 45 in the 2003 owner points and/or in the top 45 in the current season's owner points will receive one two-day test and one single-day test (total of three days) until they attempt to qualify for a race. Each time a qualification attempt is made, teams will receive an additional two-day/single-day allotment, up to the maximum amount.

The three-day test sessions at NASCAR Preseason Thunder count as a two-day test for all teams in the NASCAR Nextel Cup and NASCAR Busch Series. NASCAR Preseason Thunder does not count against NASCAR Craftsman Truck teams' allotment.

There ya go. Now, no more questions. Try to read through one time only then explain it to the next person you see.

But, but, but ...... where does the color of my car come into the mix ? Isn't that at all important ??? Geeesh !!! No wonder they have trouble following the rules.

[Team Yates]

No wreck!!!!!! And a top 15!!!!!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Team Yates

No wreck!!!!!! And a top 15!!!!!

and did you notice that the infamous Jimmy Spencer couldn't even pronounce his name correctly ???

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

and did you notice that the infamous Jimmy Spencer couldn't even pronounce his name correctly ???

Spencer is an idiot that has no business behind a microphone. During Victory Lane yesterday, he said David Stemme had no right to confront Kahne after the crash, because Kasey has 6 wins this year, and Stremme isnt even close to a win. What the heck does that have to do with getting crashed out by someone??? The guy can really say some bonehead things.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

Spencer is an idiot that has no business behind a microphone. During Victory Lane yesterday, he said David Stemme had no right to confront Kahne after the crash, because Kasey has 6 wins this year, and Stremme isnt even close to a win. What the heck does that have to do with getting crashed out by someone??? The guy can really say some bonehead things.

The guy speaks in Bonehead only !!!

He had TWO wins in 478 starts. Am I to believe he never confronted anyone ??? But wait ... he was generally the cause of most accidents !!!

[Nevadastars]

What's really sad, is I believe Spencer recently signed a contract extention that allows him to continue to spew his crap on National TV.