[nascarfan24]

my vote
no cup drivers in busch
thats my opinion and i'm sticking to it!

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Well I guess my point is there are guys like Johnny Benson, Ron Hornaday and many others that have far more experience than some of these young'ins.

I agree 100%, but its obvious that the sponsors want the young, charming types to chug the soda on camera or sell laundry detergent on TV. They say there is a shortage of talent out there. That's a crock! There are plenty of great drivers out there that would do well in Cup. Problem is, most of them are over 30 and that just doesnt cut in in Todays Na$car.

[nascarfan24]

i 100% agree

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

I agree 100%, but its obvious that the sponsors want the young, charming types to chug the soda on camera or sell laundry detergent on TV. They say there is a shortage of talent out there. That's a crock! There are plenty of great drivers out there that would do well in Cup. Problem is, most of them are over 30 and that just doesnt cut in in Todays Na$car.

I want to see a driver turn a whiskey bottle up on camera.





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[Team Yates]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

Gillilands thats it I wasn't making fun of his name, simply got it wrong.
just seem every time I see the M&M's car it sideways bouncing off something.

you guy's are a riot , I hope you all do drown, I sit there and laugh. but don't worry I think D/G is driving the rescue boat


it all good!!

Will, you hope we drown???!!! That's not very nice!!!!

[oncea3fan]

Will, you hope we drown???!!! That's not very nice!!!!

Originally Posted by nascarfan24

i'm drowning!
throw me a rope!
please!
help!

just funnin ya!

[wardfan]

I got an idea. How about a minimum that a driver has to do, say, at least 2 years in Busch before they can move up to cup. And no cup drivers in Busch. That could give these young guys a chance to improve and eliminate the pressure of sponsers insisting on these young marketable drivers. Or, if it looked like the fan base was going away because of the excuse of no cup drivers they could set a limit of maybe they could run in only 5 busch races if they are currently racing in cup.

[Team Yates]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

Will, you hope we drown???!!! That's not very nice!!!!



just funnin ya!

Cool, Will, I missed that post!!!! You had me a little freaked out there for a minute!!!!!

[Sorenson41Fan]

that is funny what someone said about not wanting the old guys.

did anyone notice when (i think it was) dave blaney won the busch race a couple of weeks ago he didn't even have the presence of mind to mention his primary sponsor, or any of his sponsors if i remember ... i guess he was so in shock that he won, or just didn't care about thanking Haas Avacado ... i guess some guys might be good drivers but can't play the game with the media/sponsors/etc. although somehow Mark Marin gets by, haha

[nascarfan24]

Originally Posted by wardfan

I got an idea. How about a minimum that a driver has to do, say, at least 2 years in Busch before they can move up to cup. And no cup drivers in Busch. That could give these young guys a chance to improve and eliminate the pressure of sponsers insisting on these young marketable drivers. Or, if it looked like the fan base was going away because of the excuse of no cup drivers they could set a limit of maybe they could run in only 5 busch races if they are currently racing in cup.

amen!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by wardfan

I got an idea. How about a minimum that a driver has to do, say, at least 2 years in Busch before they can move up to cup. And no cup drivers in Busch. That could give these young guys a chance to improve and eliminate the pressure of sponsers insisting on these young marketable drivers. Or, if it looked like the fan base was going away because of the excuse of no cup drivers they could set a limit of maybe they could run in only 5 busch races if they are currently racing in cup.

Two points here ... fan base equates to money in the pocket of Brian France. I once again bring up the point of minor league basbal teams. It is about experience and not making the almighty dollar. In my area we have a single "A" team and to our credit we have one of the largest attendance figures in the league ... and the worst team !!! We have great attendance because of the work that is done to get the people out to the game ... not the names that are there. The Busch series should be (in my opinion) a place to go just prior to making it to the cup series. The final training ground. If the cup guys really just want to race why aren't they in the ARCA races and all the other series out there. RIGHT ...... they don't need to test at those tracks in cars that are not close to the type they currently drive.

Point two is .... stay in your series. If you're a cup driver then drive in the cup series. Harvick along with his experience and backing has run away with the championship. Along with that he and all the other cup drivers who frequent the Busch series are taking spots away from drivers that need experience and a chance at a victory. The top cup drivers are the ones that compalin the most when a Busch driver comes up for a race or two and creates havoc ... like the 06 last week.

[Quality88]

Good points LSC. I would offer a couple of changes. First off, no cup raiders. Second(and this one is goin to be pointless once Bob's Na$carmobile comes in) use different model cars then the cup series runs. You change that and it will be less likely for cup folks to come over. Then again, with the way people hate the COT, they may stick to their perspective series as to avoid being car so much. Wishful thinking, huh.

[oncea3fan]

theres a thought, is the busch series getting the COT, if will be interesring to see who/how cup drivers do in the busch with a completely diffent car.
with no info transfer to a cup race the next day.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

This is part of what I don't understand about some of the new drivers. Why do owners go with young and inexperienced drivers when there are some out there with far more experience. Watching some of these guys tear up perfectly good cars is a crying shame. Sometimes I think I might be better at driving than they are. Wishful thinking at least.

Every novelist thinks he will write the next "War and Peace"
Every song writer thinks his next offering will be the next "White Christmas" ( Real song writers, not purveyors of the crap mass produced today for people with $2000 cars which have $10,000 stereo systems)
Every stock speculator think he will get in on the ground floor of the next MicroSoft .
Every owner has this mystical belief that HE will find the next Jeffie-Pooh.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

Good points LSC. I would offer a couple of changes. First off, no cup raiders. Second(and this one is goin to be pointless once Bob's Na$carmobile comes in) use different model cars then the cup series runs. You change that and it will be less likely for cup folks to come over. Then again, with the way people hate the COT, they may stick to their perspective series as to avoid being car so much. Wishful thinking, huh.

Though I'd love to, I can't take credit for the "NA$CARmobile" title. I'm not that clever. That came from Rusty Wallace back around...? 1988, when NA$CAR began redesigning the Monte Carlo SS's rear ends.

As for a change, how about this: Let the Cup Raiders run in BGN if they really want to BUT charge the team of any Cup driver who runs a BGN race a practice.

I see this as a good solution because

(a) NA$CAR isn't taking the ability to run an accompanying series from it's drivers, it's just setting a price, and

(b)It's legitimate because I have heard numerous Cup primmadonas state that they gain knowledge about the track and tires during some their raids into BGN territory.

(c) It has the potential to give the series back to the David Rag-e/a-n's and the kids who need time in a race car seat, not a grandstand seat watching Cup drivers beat up on lesser teams.