[TN_Gal]

Okay...do you think NASCAR does not show favoritism???

The explain to me how Burton is allowed to run lap after lap with missing hood pins?

12 laps ago it was televised, and he has not been black flagged...why not?

I know I saw another driver black flagged for this earlier in the year...is this a missing part of the car violation or not??

What do you think?

[LSC9901]

At best it is a tough call. Were both pins missing ? I thought (Oh as I type Kurt Busch CRASHES !!!!!!!) they said only one pin was missing ??

[Nevadastars]

Well Gal, a lot of times I wonder about 'rigged' races or championships, especially when it comes to the 24, 48 and even the 8. But in Burtons case, I highly doubt it. It seems it would be Nextels worst nightmare have the Cingular car representing the sports best.

As far as the pins go, I think it is a judgement call on Nascars part. Martinsville is the slowest on the circuit, so the hood was no real problem like it would be at a larger, faster track. They did say Nascar was keeping a close eye on his hood though.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

Well Gal, a lot of times I wonder about 'rigged' races or championships, especially when it comes to the 24, 48 and even the 8. But in Burtons case, I highly doubt it. It seems it would be Nextels worst nightmare have the Cingular car representing the sports best.

As far as the pins go, I think it is a judgement call on Nascars part. Martinsville is the slowest on the circuit, so the hood was no real problem like it would be at a larger, faster track. They did say Nascar was keeping a close eye on his hood though.

I would have to agree with you Nevada.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Nevadastars

As far as the pins go, I think it is a judgement call on Nascars part. Martinsville is the slowest on the circuit, so the hood was no real problem like it would be at a larger, faster track. They did say Nascar was keeping a close eye on his hood though.

<shudder> Any time I see the words, "NASCAR" and "judgement" in the same sentence, I get afraid, very afraid.

Of course, this is the same NASCAR rule enforcement group run by that sage of all thing competitive, John Darby, who in an interview last week, said, (I swear I AM NOT making this up) " I knew there were emergency vehicles on the track but I gave the go ahead to wave the green flag because I didn't want to see the cars stack up and I knew they would slow down under the yellow."

I repeat, when you see NASCAR and "Judgement" used together, revert to the Elmer Fudd Rule, "Be Awfraid, be vwery awfraid!"

[nascarfan24]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

<shudder> Any time I see the words, "NASCAR" and "judgement" in the same sentence, I get afraid, very afraid.

Of course, this is the same NASCAR rule enforcement group run by that sage of all thing competitive, John Darby, who in an interview last week, said, (I swear I AM NOT making this up) " I knew there were emergency vehicles on the track but I gave the go ahead to wave the green flag because I didn't want to see the cars stack up and I knew they would slow down under the yellow."

I repeat, when you see NASCAR and "Judgement" used together, revert to the Elmer Fudd Rule, "Be Awfraid, be vwery awfraid!"

he really said that?

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

<shudder> Any time I see the words, "NASCAR" and "judgement" in the same sentence, I get afraid, very afraid.

Of course, this is the same NASCAR rule enforcement group run by that sage of all thing competitive, John Darby, who in an interview last week, said, (I swear I AM NOT making this up) " I knew there were emergency vehicles on the track but I gave the go ahead to wave the green flag because I didn't want to see the cars stack up and I knew they would slow down under the yellow."

I repeat, when you see NASCAR and "Judgement" used together, revert to the Elmer Fudd Rule, "Be Awfraid, be vwery awfraid!"

In the words of Carlos Mencia.... "DEE DEE DEE"

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by nascarfan24

he really said that?

Last Wednesday, on XM Radio's Dialed IN with Clair B. Lang. She has Darby, or some other NASCAR official on each week.

[oncea3fan]

I have seen them throw the yellow on a restart like that so there;s not a pile up, I think once the cars are past a certin point on the back stretch it to late to call off the green, so they throw the yellow in stead.

sometimes they predict that safty workers will be gone by the time the car take the green.

I don't think nascar fixes anything, to many variables, but with out a doubt they do look the other way for certin cars.
I don't think they want JJ tobe the next mark martin.

how esle would you explain the 2 car getting suspension ,money and a point fine for a locked up shock that would be a hinder and not an advantage, while the 48 get no point fine for an out right aero enhancement modiflication. ........hhmmmmmmm. ???

[Bob Tanner]

I heard this brought up last night and it would kind of make sense.

Why wouldn't NA$CAR black flag the #31 immediately? After all, he is sponsored by Cingular, and NEXTEL pays NA$CAR a lot more money than Cingular does.

I'd say that IF a fix were in, (and for all the *****ing I do about NA$CAR, rigging races has never been one of them) I'd think they'd find some "illegality" with the Cingular car each week.

But, what do I know?

[LSC9901]

Rigged ... No. NA$CAR doesn't need to rig the outcome and couldn't do it anyway. When the top engine builders in the nation cannot keep an engine running how could anyone fix the series championship ?

Sponsorship of the series will probably never be an issue. If fewer people saw tobacco as a health hazard Winston would still be at the helm. You can bet after a few more years Nextel will not be the major sponsor. The popularity of NA$CAR will always be there so finding big sponsorship dollars will always be just around the corner.

The issue of Cingular over Nextel is really a non issue. Yes they are competing companies but what happens when Cheerios or Triple "A" wins the championship ??? It is a different sponsor and Nextel will live with it.

Oncea3 fan said "to many variables" and that is quite true.

[oncea3fan]

if the 31 would win the cup, what press it would get not only burtons cinderalla story but the cingular/nextel thing would be everwhere, good for everybody.

[Quality88]

Rigged... No to a certain extent. There are certain things that can't be predicted such as a blown tire, or an engine failure. However there are vertain other things that help to change some outcomes such as timely cautions for phantom debris that helps a specific driver/s. Or not taking points away for purposely cheating would be helping out a certain driver. I think it's alot about who Na$car wants to help the most.

[A pirate]

I have no choice but to believe NASCAR isn't trying to "fix" the championship. If I doubted the integrity of the sport I wouldn't be able to watch it.

[nascarfan24]

me neither
it would be like watching go karts race and you know some are better than the other, cheap ones