[rebelnut]

My question is if Earnhardt and Johnson finshed 23rd and 24th. That means the caution flag didn't come out till the field had went by them. If this is the case how does Vickers win? He was passed by Kasey and Kurt right after he spun the 48. So if he did win why is the 8 and 48 so far back?

[peg48]

Originally Posted by rebelnut

My question is if Earnhardt and Johnson finshed 23rd and 24th. That means the caution flag didn't come out till the field had went by them. If this is the case how does Vickers win? He was passed by Kasey and Kurt right after he spun the 48. So if he did win why is the 8 and 48 so far back?

yes please could someone answer that 1.nascar needs to take a strong look at what they say and what they do.
peg 48 baton rouge louisiana.

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by rebelnut

My question is if Earnhardt and Johnson finshed 23rd and 24th. That means the caution flag didn't come out till the field had went by them. If this is the case how does Vickers win? He was passed by Kasey and Kurt right after he spun the 48. So if he did win why is the 8 and 48 so far back?

Good question rebelnut, wish I had a good answer. BTW welcome to GTG, hope to see your express your opinion ofen. And join us in our prediction thread weeky, prize you getting top two right. Come visit me in the cellar, check out our rank stuff.

[Dupont4five]

Originally Posted by rebelnut

My question is if Earnhardt and Johnson finshed 23rd and 24th. That means the caution flag didn't come out till the field had went by them. If this is the case how does Vickers win? He was passed by Kasey and Kurt right after he spun the 48. So if he did win why is the 8 and 48 so far back?

You guys need to remember 1st-24th is only seperated by 1.30 seconds at this track, so by the time Vickers was in the middle of turn 3 and 4 the 22 cars had already got by JJ and Jr, Kasey passed Vickers exiting the corner.

[LSC9901]

I'm not sure that I have the correct answer but here is my guess. On most tracks there are certain points around the track where they actually track positions of all the cars as they go by. One reason for this is to insure that if and when a yellow comes out that drivers cannot say they didn't see the yellow and they felt they had made a pass on another car prior to the yellow flag. Therefore it isn't the start finish line that determines what place everyone is in. If the scoring mechanisims that they will use shows that when the yellow came out Vickers was in 1st place then that is the gospel according to NASCAR. The scoring units can tell what car passes and the computer computes what place they are in at the time of the yellow.

These scoring units came about because to many people gave up on the gentlemens agreement and started racing back to the start/finish line. The ones that went by the agreement complained and the ones that didn't go by it said there was no such rule in place. NASCAR decided that something more accurate needed to be done.

Not sure that answers any question but ..... there you have it.

[oncea3fan]

so are the loops imbedded in the track ??

if so then the 8 and 48 wouldn't have been scored while they werre sliding through the grass.

[oncea3fan]

hey! mikey just explained that you have to keep up reasonible speed to keep your freeze spot. hense spinning/crashing is not keeping up reasonible speed.

boy they really gave brain a hard time tonite!
but he took it all in good fun.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by oncea3fan

so are the loops imbedded in the track ??

if so then the 8 and 48 wouldn't have been scored while they werre sliding through the grass.

I'm not sure just where they are but it is all computer calculated so if they were sliding thru the grass it all depends where they were when the yellow came out and what scoring unit they last crossed under the green.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I'm not sure just where they are but it is all computer calculated so if they were sliding thru the grass it all depends where they were when the yellow came out and what scoring unit they last crossed under the green.

LSC, I believe that you'll find that there are transponders in each car and at each track there are a number of markers (NASCAR refers to them as loops) which record the excat time each car passes that specific marker. I'm not sure of their location but I don't believe they are imbedded in the track itself. These markers transmit data to the NASCAR trailer and they can set the field in a matter of minutes.

This is what I've been told, anyway.

The alternative answer would be that NA$CAR places the cars as it wishes, for the most dramatic, or colour cooridinated affect, or

It all PFM (Pure Freakin' Magic!)

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

LSC, I believe that you'll find that there are transponders in each car and at each track there are a number of markers (NASCAR refers to them as loops) which record the excat time each car passes that specific marker. I'm not sure of their location but I don't believe they are imbedded in the track itself. These markers transmit data to the NASCAR trailer and they can set the field in a matter of minutes.

This is what I've been told, anyway.

The alternative answer would be that NA$CAR places the cars as it wishes, for the most dramatic, or colour cooridinated affect, or

It all PFM (Pure Freakin' Magic!)

I kept having this brain cramp and could not for the life of me remember "scoring loops". I'm pretty confident they are not imbedded in the track but a piece of equipment mounted somewhere so that it can talk to each passing car and also transmit that data to NASCAR as you noted.

For God's sake don't give the France clan any ideas like color co-ordinating on restarts. Brian & group have messed it up enough already.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

For God's sake don't give the France clan any ideas like color co-ordinating on restarts. Brian & group have messed it up enough already.

LOL

Point taken!

[nascarfan24]

i think nascar needs to have like five guys up in the suites with there fingers ready to press a button that calls a caution.
esspecially at Daytona and Talladega
that way this would be sorted out because the exact second they saw a car around a caution would freeze the field!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by nascarfan24

i think nascar needs to have like five guys up in the suites with there fingers ready to press a button that calls a caution.
esspecially at Daytona and Talladega
that way this would be sorted out because the exact second they saw a car around a caution would freeze the field!

That already happens basically. As soon as the caution comes out the field is frozen.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

That already happens basically. As soon as the caution comes out the field is frozen.

It's just a bigger pain in the a$$ at Dega and Daytona because the whole field is together and only separated by .0001 secs

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Quality88

It's just a bigger pain in the a$$ at Dega and Daytona because the whole field is together and only separated by .0001 secs

Yet another reason to do away with the restrictor plate racing.