[ugottaskwhy]

I'll give Tony this....he is a great driver with great abilities. Few drivers would have saved a car that had gotten that sideways in a corner. My respect for him stops there. He was making some mental progress after his mandated anger management a couple of years ago after he took out Jeff Gordon post-race in the pits, but apparently yesterday he forgot his meds. By Tony's own statement, all Kenseth did to set him off was to get close to him on the high side and get him loose. There was no contact! This was a little different than the hard left turn Tony made with Kenseth right below him. NASCAR dropped the ball on this one big time!

As for DJ....(I'm a DJ fan so this might be a little biased) I've never seen DJ do anything like that intentionally unless it was provoked. I honestly thought the field slowed in front of him just slightly and Green checked up just a little. This may not have been the case, but DJ doesn't play games like many of the younger drivers. My ultimate question is.."does anyone really like restrictor plater racing, and is anyone safer because of it". Frankly, I think it's the least exciting racing they do all season.

[cardiox]

Hi all and sorry for posting this question elsewhere when it should have been in this thread ... My question is simply this: Are Nascar drivers above the Law? Or is it somewhere stated in the law that when you are on a Nascar track it is ok to intentionally inflict or attempt to inflict harm to another human being? There is direct evidence seen and admitted evidence spoken that directly proves criminal intent so where is this justification? If the driver of the 17 car would have died then in my humble opinion this would have been murder. Is this not so? Would not this have been pre-meditated murder? This is why I ask why are there not criminal charges being initiated here? Thanks for your time and please offer any imput that might clarify this for me. Cardiox

[rave20]

I see your point and have often wondered that myself. there are a few tmes that has happened in other sports. I think this is diferent somewhat in that each competitor is engaged in the event with the understanding that the organizational body acts as the police force so to speak.
Where does that cross the line? Likely at intent. Was the intent to "rattle his cage" as Big E liked to say or, was it to end his shot at a win or, was it to infict bodily harm or attempted murder? Proving intent would be the difficult part.

You know as I said in an earlier post I think Tony's move was ridiculous and my TS jacket will stay in the closet for awhile. Still let's not get carried away. I can remember quite a few times the 20 and just about everyone else have been on the giving AND the receiving end of the love tap. Heck if we did away with that we could merge the IRL and NHRA with NASCAR. Oh and would have had to lock up 'ol Ironhead too!

C'mon Tony let's get back letting your trophies do the talking!!

[PettyFan]

ugottaskwhy,

Re: DJ and Green

Did you see the in-car replay that they showed on Speed Channel? Funny, I don't remember seeing this on NBC during the race, but they had a beautiful in-car shot from DJ's car. Sure looked on purpose to me. He rubbed him twice before he broke loose. Looked like payback for something. Seemed a little out of character for DJ. I wonder if Nascar is going to do something about this? If he did it on purpose, I guess he's in the same boat as Tony Stewart...too bad, I like DJ.

Oh, and I agree with you...What they do at Daytona and Talladega is not real racing. Most race fans (and drivers) would agree. In my opinion, they should have taken some banking out of those two tracks years ago and said goodbye to the plates.

[vactrade]

911

Me: Hello, hello 911?
911: This is 911. How may I help you?
Me: I witnessed a crime. I think it was attempted murder?
911: Yes sir. When did this happen?
Me: Yesterday at 5:31 P.M.
911: Sir how can you be so exact about the time?
Me: I videotaped it and the camera has a clock on it. It said 5:31.
911: What did you tape?
Me: They were both going fast and the one guy swerved left and hit the other guy with his car. He ran him completely off the road.
911: Sir did the guy stop and check on the other guy?
Me: No. He just sped off and left him.
911: Is he all right?
Me: Yes he is. He was worried about his car but he was able to drive it to the mechanics.
911: Sir. Are you sure it wasn't an accident?
Me: I thought so at first but then he admitted he had done it on purpose.
911: Sir. Did you get that on tape also?
Me: Yes I did. He said he did it to teach him a lesson.
911: Did he admit that on tape?
Me: Yes he did and he said he was just finishing what the other guy started.
911: Before the altercation did the other guy threaten to hit him or swerve at him or get unusally close to him?
Me: No he didn't. I have that part on tape also.
911: Sir. What lesson did he have in mind?
Me: That the other guy should not drive near this guy.
911: Sir. This sounds like assault with a vehicle and Road Rage but maybe not attempted murder since no one was hurt.
Me: The guy may not have been trying to kill him but as bad as he crashed at that speed I'm sure it hurt a lot and what about the other people driving nearby?
911: Sir. Did anyone else see this happen?
Me: Yes my 14 year old saw the whole thing. I'm so afraid the when he starts driving that he will act like this also.
How do I explain this where he will understand if nothing happens to this guy.
911: And Sir, do you know who was driving the car?
Yes but he was from out of town and I'm sure has left the state by now.
911: Sir so that I know what jurisdiction to call "Where did this happen?"
Me: VolusiaCounty Ma'am.

[cardiox]

good one Vactrade I wonder if I could sue for this here it all started after watching that 17 spinning around all that traffic...lol

[rmjvol]

Welcome to GoTeamsGo, vactrade. Pretty funny stuff, lol.

btw, no need to post the same thing in 2 places. We'll all find it here

[cardiox]

Rmjvol my bads...you could dump that other one or close it? sorry

[ugottaskwhy]

Pettyfan- you made some good observations.

No, I didn't see the clip on the Speed Channel, but I would bet a good chunk of money that if DJ turned a car on purpose, there was a blatent altercation prior to it. I'm not saying DJ is above "retribution" driving, but the last time I saw him hot enough to do that was in an incident with Terry Labonte at Richmond 5-6 years ago and there was clearly some over-aggresive driving going on. I've not seen bad driving out of David Green that I recall, but in everybody's defense (except for Tony's) the Daytona track just doesn't allow you to lift. Note for Tony.....lifting and steering are two different things!

[vactrade]

Assume DeWalt stockholders form a class-action lawsuit and name Home Depot and their employee Tony Stewart who wrecked their winning car and kept them from Victory Lane at Daytona and all the free publicity that would bring. Not to mention uping their stock prices. Damages in the millions. And being quite sure this is a conspiracy since they refuse to remove or even discipline him. Maybe a boycott of Home Depot, they're sanctioning this misbehavior. He did intentionally run a man off the road at 190 MPH. Is it not time for Tony's anger management classes again.

[tbalt]

Originally Posted by thumbsdowntostewart

Tony Stewart ruined two great cars today Jeff Gordon and Matt Kensinth. I agree that NASCAR needs to reinforce their "rules". I can't stand when Stewart gets away with things. As you can tell by my name I really don't like Stewart.

I'm new here so bare with me if I upset some of you guy's with my opinions here.
As far as Stewart ruining two cars in the 500 meaning Kenseth and Gordon, I will have to disagree with some of these statements being made here. It was not all Stewarts fault for what happened to Gordon, he just held his line and did not back off when Jeff started sliding up the track. It looked to me that he was trying to turn below Jeff but at 190 mph things happen too fast.
Now as far as Kenseth that probably was deliberate but might have been a block only they really know.

Now that everybody is talking about aggressive driving, why didn't Jimmy Johnson get penilized when he made that aggressive swerve down on Kurt Busch pushing Kurt below the yellow line? The tv spokesmen made it sound like it was Kurt intentionally trying to pass below the line. Nascar says it is illeagal to force a drive below the line. Jimmy should also have gone to the back IMO.

[rmjvol]

Hi tbalt, welcome to GoTeamsGo.

Originally Posted by tbalt

I'm new here so bare with me if I upset some of you guy's with my opinions here.

Not at all, nobody gets upset as long as we all follow the forum rules. We're all here to chat about sports & everybody's opinion is welcome

[rmjvol]

Originally Posted by tbalt

Now as far as Kenseth that probably was deliberate but might have been a block only they really know.

Whoops, meant to address that in my post.

It sure sounded like Stewart admitted it was an intentional swipe in the post race interview. He started out denying everything but by the end of the 30-60 second interview, he was talking out of both sides of his mouth.

I know sometimes your words don't come out like you expect but my take was that he admitted the contact was deliberate.

[tbalt]

Originally Posted by ugottaskwhy

Pettyfan- you made some good observations.

No, I didn't see the clip on the Speed Channel, but I would bet a good chunk of money that if DJ turned a car on purpose, there was a blatent altercation prior to it. I'm not saying DJ is above "retribution" driving, but the last time I saw him hot enough to do that was in an incident with Terry Labonte at Richmond 5-6 years ago and there was clearly some over-aggresive driving going on. I've not seen bad driving out of David Green that I recall, but in everybody's defense (except for Tony's) the Daytona track just doesn't allow you to lift. Note for Tony.....lifting and steering are two different things!

DJ's temper kept him out of the chase in race #26 last year!

[ugottaskwhy]

tbalt

I didn't see that last year. Not saying it didn't happen, but DJ does seem to be more level than many drivers. It could be that it's time for him to get off the track and follow his father's shoes up into the booth. I gotta say that the UPS commercials make me chuckel though. As for Johnson blocking below the line, Gordon passing below the line, and many other incidents that NASCAR overlooked Sunday, it might appear to some that certain sponsors carry more clout than others?

btw- I love the thread and the job you've done here guys. It's nice to throw out an opinion w/o being pounced like many other sites do. Good Job!