[Dupont4five]

Whats new with Barrier pushing the limits??? Apparently it had to do something with the rims or something like. I have one question, what if Jeff Gordon, Brian Vickers and Tony Stewrat had the same advantage, would they have won the race cause they were clearly just a TICK slower then Kevin????

[Nevadastars]

Where did you see or read this at? Got a link?

[AZAggie]

Originally Posted by Dupont4five

Whats new with Barrier pushing the limits??? Apparently it had to do something with the rims or something like. I have one question, what if Jeff Gordon, Brian Vickers and Tony Stewrat had the same advantage, would they have won the race cause they were clearly just a TICK slower then Kevin????

I heard a hockey player once say, "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying hard enough."

Where is the article to back this up?

[LSC9901]

I checked all the normal sites and couldn't find anything about this rumor.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I checked all the normal sites and couldn't find anything about this rumor.

Same here

[Nevadastars]

I did find something on the Mopar board I frequent, although the poster did not say where it came from. Here is his post......

"HARVICK, #29 team CAUGHT CHEATING!!! Breaking news!!

#29 and #31 have been creatively cheating (bending)!

Air pressures build up in tires as they run, we all know this. In several other racing series, they run "bleeder" valves to bleed off excess pressure when they build up. NASCAR does not allow bleeder valves, so teams start off with really low pressures to try and offset this phenomenon.

#29 and #31 teams have been running wheels with very small but present slits cut into the backsides...just enough of a hole to allow some high pressure air to push out, but not big enough to let air escape below a certain air pressure point. For anyone that has ever had a tire go down, think about how fast the air escapes when you pump it up vs. when it's almost flat...

WOW! No penalty, since there is no official rule specifically prohibiting this...but they can't do it anymore...and RCR is flipping..."


Interesting to say the least!

[Dupont4five]

From FOXSports.com,
FOX Sports - NASCAR - Harvick, Burton had performance advantage

See im no Rumor starter

[LSC9901]

Sooo .... there is no rule against it. There was no violation. So how is it chaeting ??? They merely took advantage of a grey area. Don't you think all teams do this at one time or another ?? Was it an advantage over the rest of the field ... probably, but clearly it was no rules violation. Had it been that it would have been referred to as "Knausing".

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Sooo .... there is no rule against it. There was no violation. So how is it chaeting ??? They merely took advantage of a grey area. Don't you think all teams do this at one time or another ?? Was it an advantage over the rest of the field ... probably, but clearly it was no rules violation. Had it been that it would have been referred to as "Knausing".

Hence forth it will be "Knausing" cause heaven forbid someone has an advantage over the rest of the field.

[Bob Tanner]

I don't want to go on a rant here, but...

LSC brings up an excellent point; if there was nothing in the rules specifically mentioning the exact action taken by the RCR teams, then how can it be cheating? It's the same valid argument given when someone is accused of lying; how can a person lie about something if, to the best of his knowledge, he believes what he says to be the truth?

This apparently was the rationalization NASCAR used when it discovered the infraction.

My only question here is: What happened to the legal principle of "Intent?" Is there any question that the engineering genius' at RCR laser cut those slits in the wheels (On Wind Tunnel last night it was reported that the slices were .0003 of an inch. Actually the metal was solid until enough air pressure increased and the minute slits widen just enough to bleed off built-up air) as an alternative to illegal bleeder valves?

Let's give a hypothetical: I get mad at the Mobile government for wanting to put a racetrack here. I go over the edge, publicly rant against my elected officials [as I am prone to do, believe it or not] and decide there will be retribution. I buy a thousand pounds of nitrate fertilizer and begin reading on how to make a BIG bomb. Someone rats me out and the FBI comes and what happens? Bob [quite rightly] goes to jail! Why? To my knowledge there is no law against buying a larger-than-average amount of fertilizer. I know of nothing which prevents me from studying bomb-making. I did nothing illegal per se, however my I-N-T-E-N-T was quite obvious.

In my opinion, once more NASCAR blew it. It snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. It could have voided the points for the #29 and #31, banned them from the next race, whatever, but instead it just clucked its tongue, waggled its ponderous finger and said, "Please don't do that again or we'll get really mad!"

Yeah, I am aware that "Creative interpretation" of the rules is a NASCAR tradition. Well, the Southern 500 at Darlington was a tradition. Racing at North Wilksboro and Rockingham was a tradition. Having a points race with no playoff was a tradition. In the "New NASCAR," obviously tradition is something the shirts at ISC/NASCAR blows their collective noses on. In the "New NASCAR" you don't anger a high-rolling sponsor because they put the money in the France coffers.

There aren't many things in this world one can depend on. NASCAR's ineptness at rule enforcement is one of them, though.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

There aren't many things in this world one can depend on. NASCAR's ineptness at rule enforcement is one of them, though.

And if you don't believe it just keep watching NA$CAR. They prove it over and over !!!

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

On 'The SPEED Report,' Sundays at 8 p.m. ET on SPEED, SPEED NASCAR reporter Bob Dillner reported that the winner of the first race in the Chase for the Nextel Cup and his Richard Childress Racing teammate had a performance advantage.

As darkness falls upon New Hampshire International Speedway, we have learned that there was an issue with the winning car of Kevin Harvick and also his teammate, Jeff Burton, in postrace tech.

That issue surrounded the actual rim of the race car. The team apparently manipulated that rim to act as a bleeder valve to release air pressure from that rim. In English, it was a performance advantage for the RCR team.
Now, it was not against anything in the rule book so there won't be any fines or points penalties later on this week, but they have been told not to do it again. So the question is: will it ruin or hurt the performance of the team in the last nine races of the Chase? Dillner and Tribune Newspaper Group motor sports writer Ed Hinton also discussed this performance advantage with Dave Despain on SPEED's 'Wind Tunnel,' Sundays at 9 p.m. ET.

Yep, whenever a team is preforming as well as Harvick and Burton, sort of out of the blue like Jimmie Johnston was with his gray area shocks.
Well see what happens next week, wont we guys.

[bogle]

Knausing...?

Um, what's that?

[A pirate]

So my RCR boys had nothing illegal but they were cheating. I do agree with you Bob that the intent was there. They should be penalized but I don't know about gone for the next race. I would agree with being fined points, but not all of them. I also understand why NASCAR took the route they did with it. If the RCR chasers are found with the rims again than by all means NASCAR should do something serious to them, but not yet. I also wonder why my boy Clint didn't have them on his car? No wonder he runs towards the back, eh?

[LSC9901]

RCR: Harvick, Burton did not manipulate rules
FOXSports.com
Posted: 35 minutes ago The following is a statement from Richard Childress, president and CEO of Richard Childress Racing (RCR), regarding allegations in the media after the Sept. 19 NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series race at New Hampshire International Speedway that two of RCR's teams had manipulated the rules:

"Reports in the media, specifically on SPEED TV, that one or more of our NEXTEL Cup Series teams was found by NASCAR to be manipulating the rules yesterday at New Hampshire International Speedway are false and misleading. Our cars passed post-race inspection and officials at NASCAR assured us last night and again today that no one from RCR was told at any time not to bring a part back to the race track. The reported events and conversations did not happen. Our focus remains on two of our teams competing for the championship and the other finishing as high in the points as possible."