[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Ok, so you are telling me that you will cheat to win instead of deserving it? Ok.

If there is no rule broken, it isn't cheating. I agree with LSC, the more they control these cars, the less I will will watch.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

First off I'm not going to get into a contest with you or anyone about ethics. If there isn't a rule concerning something then, from my perspective, there can't be a clear cut violation. If there is a rule but there is still some "grey area" then I believe that any governing body will expect the players to "push the envelope". Is that cheating ?? In my perception it may not be fair but if there is no rule then the violation, at that moment, then there is no violation.

I again apologize if you feel I am trying to get your goat. I just think that we all at one time or another look for ways around the rules. I don't want to see a championship won from the "grey area" but how do you penalize for a non written (apparent) violation ??

You guys completely missed my point. NASCAR's rule book does not have that rule stated, so that means that grey area can be used as a advantage. Im not saying you don't need to penalize him, what Im saying was he still went outside the rules, no matter what NASCAR's rules state. I agree with you that drivers should have control of their cars, but what Im trying to say is if someone has to go outside the box and cheat, your not the true winner of the race which you cheated on. I don't care what NASCAR's rules say, if you go outside the box and find a grey area, it is called finding a way to cheat to win, and if this story is true, then Harvick found a grey area and cheated to win, and Burton used it as well, so he used the grey area and cheated as well.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

and if this story is true, then Harvick found a grey area and cheated to win, and Burton used it as well, so he used the grey area and cheated as well.

It appears that the story was not true. NA$CAR has said there were no violations, along with RCR, Burton and Harvick saying the same. The story as reported is no longer an issue.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

It appears that the story was not true. NA$CAR has said there were no violations, along with RCR, Burton and Harvick saying the same. The story as reported is no longer an issue.

Yeah. The media and their scams these days..

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Yeah. The media and their scams these days..

I suspect that Bob Dilner's value as a journalist has diminished somewhat.

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I suspect that Bob Dilner's value as a journalist has diminished somewhat.

The last quote I heard from Bob was he's not backing down. So.????????????

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by WVGrandma4Kasey

The last quote I heard from Bob was he's not backing down. So.????????????

Then he should fess up the truth as to who or where he got his information from.

[Dupont4five]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I suspect that Bob Dilner's value as a journalist has diminished somewhat.

why would you say that, he was only doing his job

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Dupont4five

why would you say that, he was only doing his job

I agree. I think people are being too harsh on Dillner. It wasn't Dillner's fault, it was the source's fault for giving him false information, and Dillner was doing his job and reporting it.

[Dupont4five]

Originally Posted by Mike24

I agree. I think people are being too harsh on Dillner. It wasn't Dillner's fault, it was the source's fault for giving him false information, and Dillner was doing his job and reporting it.

exactly, but good day for Jeff huh, hes really excited for next week, he thinks they can win cause he says his better at Kansas over Chicago and Michigan

[vinceadams9]

Hey nevada got your fingers on

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Dupont4five

why would you say that, he was only doing his job

I personally have no problem with him but mistakes always follow you where ever you go. Think about Dan Rather destroying his long and fruitful career over one story that wasn't totally true. I believe that he was just the messenger but he took the brunt of the discipline. If you are going to be a part of the media you have to expect that you are eventually going to get caught up in someones lies.

[Dupont4five]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

I personally have no problem with him but mistakes always follow you where ever you go. Think about Dan Rather destroying his long and fruitful career over one story that wasn't totally true. I believe that he was just the messenger but he took the brunt of the discipline. If you are going to be a part of the media you have to expect that you are eventually going to get caught up in someones lies.

Yeah but Dan was a successful journalist, Dilner is moving UP and it wasnt a huge mistake, he was his people telling him wrong info.

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by vinceadams9

Hey nevada got your fingers on

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by Dupont4five

exactly, but good day for Jeff huh, hes really excited for next week, he thinks they can win cause he says his better at Kansas over Chicago and Michigan

Yep! I like the line Kenny Wallace uses. "When its money time, you always see Jeff Gordon", and its true too.

Yeah, Dillner was just doing his job. Sources and their scams..