[TN_Gal]

Originally Posted by Mike24

So you would rather have 2 drivers contending for the championship other than 10 drivers? Wow, Kesneth and Johnson leading the field by 300 points with no one else having a chance seems exciting.

Sounds like Busch championship race to me..

[LSC9901]

See Mike ... there is definitely a difference of opinions here but the great thing is that we are not ready to fight with one another and name calling is non-existent.

After a little thinking (sometimes difficult for me) I have a thought about "winning". Those who feel that racing is about winning are not wrong. I do agree with you ..... but ..... I believe the mindset today is winning the championship. Naturally winning the race of the week leads to winning the championship but don't you think that more emphasis is put on the championship versus the current race? With that thought in mind consistency does become more vital to the teams than the actual weekly victory. This is much the same for many other sports. Any baseball team can lose a series to a rival but still win the world series. I know I'll never convince sweet Grandma and I really do understand the desire to see "MY" driver win the weekly race but in todays NA$CAR the championship is where the $$$ is.

[happy29]

Consistency is boring and just because that's the way they've always done it doesn't mean it's right and can't be made better.

Yep, my driver was consistent and finished 8th every week, most people are not impressed, they want to see champions win.

You would take consistency and 0 wins over 5 wins and a couple DNFs, really? Not me, 5 times in Victory Lane means you had an incredibly succesful season no matter what else happens.

I support keeping the Chase at 10 and only 10 drivers. No tie for 10th and both get in, use the tie breaker and keep it at 10. I like Joe on XM144's idea of a 50 point win bonus and all finishers from 30th to 43rd should get the same 73 points. Maybe 50 points is too much but should be more than just a 10 point difference from 1st to 2nd. This would encourage guys to go for the win and keep the junkers and debris cautions off the track.

[saint]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

See Mike ... there is definitely a difference of opinions here but the great thing is that we are not ready to fight with one another and name calling is non-existent.

After a little thinking (sometimes difficult for me) I have a thought about "winning". Those who feel that racing is about winning are not wrong. I do agree with you ..... but ..... I believe the mindset today is winning the championship. Naturally winning the race of the week leads to winning the championship but don't you think that more emphasis is put on the championship versus the current race? With that thought in mind consistency does become more vital to the teams than the actual weekly victory. This is much the same for many other sports. Any baseball team can lose a series to a rival but still win the world series. I know I'll never convince sweet Grandma and I really do understand the desire to see "MY" driver win the weekly race but in todays NA$CAR the championship is where the $$$ is.

The problem is that Winning the race DOESN'T lead to winning the Championship. Example...Stewart can win the NEXT 10 races and not win the Championship. This is Wrong IMHO.

Saint

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by WVGrandma4Kasey

Mike, LSC can tell you that if there is one word that dosen't mean racing to me it's consistency...Boring...How it was ever allowed to become a part of racing is beyong me. It's crap, I don't know your age, but in my day you raced to win. Everyone raced on or off the tract, I almost hate to admit that, don't do it kid's, we had big,heavy, fast car's and we ran them any chance we got. I just can't call this consistency stuff racing, Lord you got to use them tires sometime. Second place is first loser.

If I race, Im racing for the win as well, everyone races for the win, which is why I said NASCAR needs to award more points for the win, but I am also racing to win the main prize. You have to win and be consistent in racing to win championships. I agree with your point to race for the win, and I would race for the win as well, but you are also racing for the main prize, so you need to get what you can get.

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by Mike24

If I race, Im racing for the win as well, everyone races for the win, which is why I said NASCAR needs to award more points for the win, but I am also racing to win the main prize. You have to win and be consistent in racing to win championships. I agree with your point to race for the win, and I would race for the win as well, but you are also racing for the main prize, so you need to get what you can get.

And if you got enough more points for winning, you'd race. Need points for winning the pole too. Run them tires off that baby.

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by WVGrandma4Kasey

And if you got enough more points for winning, you'd race. Need points for winning the pole too. Run them tires off that baby.

Thats the style I like seeing in racing. I think some people completely missed my point. Of course, you race to win, but if you are contending for the championship, you need the wins, top 5 and top 10 finishes as well.

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Thats the style I like seeing in racing. I think some people completely missed my point. Of course, you race to win, but if you are contending for the championship, you need the wins, top 5 and top 10 finishes as well.

I guess if you don't get 1st, you would have to settle for a top 5 or 10 once in awhile.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by saint

The problem is that Winning the race DOESN'T lead to winning the Championship. Example...Stewart can win the NEXT 10 races and not win the Championship. This is Wrong IMHO.

Saint

And that my friend is a statement I have made several times over. I understand that 11th through 43rd (plus) can still change positions but for those that are close enough to at least break into the top 10, much of the initiative is gone .... along with tons of sponsorship dollars, present and future, and after all isn't that what NA$CAR is all about now ???

[Mike24]

Originally Posted by WVGrandma4Kasey

I guess if you don't get 1st, you would have to settle for a top 5 or 10 once in awhile.

Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt made racing for the win famous.

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by Mike24

Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt made racing for the win famous.

And thats why I was a Richard Petty Fan "The King"

[Souporscotty]

The only two changes I want to see made to the "Chase" is #1. Do away with it. #2. Do away with it.

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Souporscotty

The only two changes I want to see made to the "Chase" is #1. Do away with it. #2. Do away with it.

AMEN, AMEN.

[carlab68]

Originally Posted by Mike24

If I race, Im racing for the win as well, everyone races for the win, ...

I'm in agreement with just about everything you said. I think wins should have more value, but I also would think a champion would be more deserving to have wins AND consistency, either of those alone just aren't as impressive for me.

I guess what I'm wondering is that is everyone really racing to win? Or are there people thinking they could pass that car in front of them, but why risk wrecking and continually just plays it safe.

[wardfan]

I think the simplest thing to do is to award sustantially more points for a win. It there was a bigger point value for a win then that would cut down on the just riding for a good finish mentality which I think is happening now. Just KISS (Keep it simple stupid)