[carlab68]

Yes but just because it's what is in place doesn't mean we have to like it. VIVA LA RESISTANCE!

I don't think anyone thinks that consistency isn't a good thing. Of course I only speak for myself. What bothers me is that racers, like Kasey, give his all which sometimes puts him out of the top ten. Others, and I'm not naming names, play it safe. It just feels unfair to me. Yes I'm stuck with the current system, but I don't have to like it. I'll continue to whine about it and yes I would like some cheese.

[carlab68]

[Nevadastars]

LSC, this is a forum where people give their opinions and that's what we are doing. You have yours, we have ours. I dont believe there is any "pi$$ing one another off" going on here at least not on my end. Just differences of opinion. If we all had the same opinion, it would make for very boring reading. You are reading waaaaay too much into it.

[LSC9901]

I hope I am reading to much into it. It just seemed to me that one posting seemed on the angry side. I've watched other message boards falter and get so far out of control that they just become useless from what they were designed to be.

If you were to read any of my postings you'd see that I am in total agreement about expressing opinions. I try to accept opinions as just that .... an opinion. What I will not do is get in an uproar about a differing opinion.

Carla ... hip hip hooooray for VIVA LA RESISTANCE ! I'm all for it and am in agreement with the idea that just because it is in place we don't have to like it. I think the point I was trying to make was that the way the system is now it favors consistency over victories. This is where that opinion thing comes in. You may not like a 55 MPH speed limit but it is the current law for that section of the highway so basically we have to live with it until someone high enough up the chain of command comes up with a plan that better suits the majority.

As usual these are my opinions and I apologize if I irritated anyone.

[carlab68]

You certainly didn't irritate me. I've been on the internet a long time and I've seen a lot of stuff go down both as a member and a moderator. I remember that there is no expressions in type and only go so far. And we all have our days where we may be more sensitive to others and/or we also might misunderstand what someone is saying. Just the other day (on another forum) I thought a mod was upset at something I typed. I read it again and again and couldn't see how, but I apologized and then the reply said they were talking about the person that posted right before me. They didn't mention anyone specifically in their original post so I just assumed and my daddy always loved to tell me what assuming does.

I love a spirited debate and I think this is exactly what is going on here. I hope that it continues. As long as you (and not you LSC...a collective you) voice your opinions, respect the right to other's opinions and not down others, you can have a good exchange of ideas. I love hearing others opinions about absolutely everything. In the last 5 years I've changed a whole lot in every facet of my life, some of that comes from others opinions when I really opened my mind and quit looking at the world through the glasses my parents set me up with. But I digress.

I don't know the answer to the points system (although I feel it should emphasize both winning and consistency). Heck I'm just now figuring it out and I still don't understand and know it all. And even if I did have the magic answer, NASCAR wouldn't care. They'll do what they are going to do. In the meantime I'm going to whine and complain that it's not fair and hope that one day there is a fair system. It's kinda like my petition to get the nextel cup race to KY. I'm like 99% sure that my little petition isn't going to do squat. But I have a chance to do something, which IMO is better than nothing and if I can get some real numbers on it...who knows. I'm a realistic, optimistic whiner. LOL

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by Dupont4five

I remember after the Food City at Bristol in his rookie season when Jamie crashed Kasey, Kasey was trembling like a wet dog. Know he only trembles in VL.

Sorry don't know what VL means, but Kasey was very shy. I felt bad for him at the awards in NY, I used to be shy like that. I got over it and I'm sure glad Kasey did too. I have a feeling off track Kasey's not a fighter, I'm sure the girls hope he's a lover.

[vinceadams9]

Originally Posted by Dupont4five

I wouldnt mind seeing Kyle crash so that Kasey can slip in, just because Kyle has been alot better then Kasey the last 2 or so months

How many has kyle won this year? And when Kasey does make it. It wont be because he slipped in it cause he drove like a man that deserves to be in the chase. If ya hear me holla!!!

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Originally Posted by carlab68

Thank you, I love this picture of him with longer hair.

[TN_Gal]

Originally Posted by WVGrandma4Kasey

Sorry don't know what VL means, but Kasey was very shy. I felt bad for him at the awards in NY, I used to be shy like that. I got over it and I'm sure glad Kasey did too. I have a feeling off track Kasey's not a fighter, I'm sure the girls hope he's a lover.

VL = Victory Lane

[WVGrandma4Kasey]

Thanks TN, but I still am confused as to what Duponts statement ment.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by WVGrandma4Kasey

Thanks TN, but I still am confused as to what Duponts statement ment.

From what I interpreted, Grand, I believe he meant that if a driver isn't in NASCAR's top ten for the playoff, then he's automatically not championship material. Then, I believe his last meant that without a playoff, there is no championship.

Personally, I think NA$CAR's Grand Pooh-Pah, Brian France and his infernal playoff is demeaning to stock car racing and reduces it down to a level equal to that of stick&ball sports.

Back in 1999, during the Twin 125's at Daytona, Dale Senior said in an interview, "Bill France Sr. would roll over in his grave if he could see what Bill Jr has turned NASCAR into!" He was referring to NASCAR redesigning the cars for "parity." (A term equally as odious as "consistency) I shudder to think what Dale Sr would say about this bastardization of stock car racing we have today?

[Nevadastars]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I shudder to think what Dale Sr would say about this bastardization of stock car racing we have today?

[Dupont4five]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

I shudder to think what Dale Sr would say about this bastardization of stock car racing we have today?

Probably the same thing Rusty, Awesome Bill, Ricky, Petty, etc. have said, NOTHING or "I dont like"

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Bob Tanner

From what I interpreted, Grand, I believe he meant that if a driver isn't in NASCAR's top ten for the playoff, then he's automatically not championship material. Then, I believe his last meant that without a playoff, there is no championship.

Personally, I think NA$CAR's Grand Pooh-Pah, Brian France and his infernal playoff is demeaning to stock car racing and reduces it down to a level equal to that of stick&ball sports.

Back in 2000, during the Twin 125's at Daytona, Dale Senior said in an interview, "Bill France Sr. would roll over in his grave if he could see what Bill Jr has turned NASCAR into!" He was referring to NASCAR redesigning the cars for "parity." (A term equally as odious as "consistency) I shudder to think what Dale Sr would say about this bastardization of stock car racing we have today?

It was after the 2000 Daytona 500. He was pi$$ed.

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Quality88

It was after the 2000 Daytona 500. He was pi$$ed.

Thanks. Ol' Teflon-Brain here easily gets some dates confused. I was placing it after his Twin 125 but I've slept since then. I do remember vividly that he was absolutely fuming and made it obsolutely clear that, at that point-in-time, he felt that he was highly displeased with the administration of NASCAR.

In another thread, Dupont indicates he believes that Dale Sr would do what Rusty, Bill and Mark have done, said virtually nothing. I disagree.

Dale was a power in NASCAR and NASCAR listened to him as it did to no other driver. It was Dale and Childress who got NASCAR to widen the rear of the old Lumina. Dale Sr had a history of many run-ins with Mike Helton and was known to go over his head directly to Bill Jr.

Mark and Bill are company-type drivers who go to extremes to NOT bite the hand which feeds them, but Rusty has been known rebel. When he was fined for having an unapprovel pop-up in the roof, he paid the fine in pennies, directly to NASCAR's offices in Daytona.

He was most unhappy with NASCAR's redesigning efforts and it was Rusty who coined the term I now use, "NASCARmobile." (thanks, Russell)