[Wizard of Os]

I was going to say Pete Rose (god, how happy i was when i heard he'd shot himself in the Hall of Fame foot by getting busted for gambling), an obnoxious egomaniacal (trying to get around using "colorful language") &^$%$%#. Bad guy. Just ask poor Ray Fosse. Or Jim Bouton.

But then someone brought up John Rocker, who deserves a high spot on the He Hate Me commerative list. Bonds, of course, belongs in the Hall of Shame. On the all-time level, you get Ty Cobb and Cap Anson for being the racist halfwits that they were.

Hey, here's a good one: Anyone for O.J.?

Cheers.

[Who Dey]

Originally Posted by Wizard of Os

I was going to say Pete Rose (god, how happy i was when i heard he'd shot himself in the Hall of Fame foot by getting busted for gambling), an obnoxious egomaniacal (trying to get around using "colorful language") &^$%$%#. Bad guy. Just ask poor Ray Fosse. Or Jim Bouton.

But then someone brought up John Rocker, who deserves a high spot on the He Hate Me commerative list. Bonds, of course, belongs in the Hall of Shame. On the all-time level, you get Ty Cobb and Cap Anson for being the racist halfwits that they were.

Hey, here's a good one: Anyone for O.J.?

Cheers.

Hey, Ray Fosse was in the way, not Rose's fault.
"you play to win the game.... You Plaaay to win the Game!"
Herman Edwards.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Who Dey

Hey, Ray Fosse was in the way, not Rose's fault.
"you play to win the game.... You Plaaay to win the Game!"
Herman Edwards.

Hey Who Dey, I see it the same way. Actually Rose and Fosse had dinner the night before at the request of Sudden Sam McDowell...so it wasn't personal...Rose for better or worse, played the way it should be played...all out every inning. Fosse new the risks of blocking the plate...They don't call it the "Tools of Ignorance" for no reason...So I am with you Who Dey...they get in the way, you have no choice but to run them over...

If "nice" was a credential for the Hall, Dale Murphy would have made it on the first ballot...and Cobb would still be waiting...the game is played within the white lines...it should be evaluated that way...

[ThePundit]

1. Albert Belle makes Bonds look like Mother Theresa.
2. Darcy Tucker for cheapshoting Michael Peca and ruining his career.
3. Pretty much every single NY Ranger who wore the uniform - with the exception of Brian Leetch and Mike Richter. Both guys are class acts.

[legend]

Anybody who puts on those Red Sox.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by legend

Anybody who puts on those Red Sox.

Well there is an honest answer...

[desertrat]

I have equal hate for both Red Sox and Yankees.
Barry Bonds, Dale Earnhardt Jr.,Dennis Rodman,Isiah Thomas, Warren Sapp,Terrel Owens, Randy Moss, Rasheed Wallace, Pedro Martinez, Brian Bosworth. My list can get pretty big if I think long enough on it.

[Who Dey]

Originally Posted by desertrat

I have equal hate for both Red Sox and Yankees.
Barry Bonds, Dale Earnhardt Jr.,Dennis Rodman,Isiah Thomas, Warren Sapp,Terrel Owens, Randy Moss, Rasheed Wallace, Pedro Martinez, Brian Bosworth. My list can get pretty big if I think long enough on it.

Thats the spirit i was looking for.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by desertrat

I have equal hate for both Red Sox and Yankees.
Barry Bonds, Dale Earnhardt Jr.,Dennis Rodman,Isiah Thomas, Warren Sapp,Terrel Owens, Randy Moss, Rasheed Wallace, Pedro Martinez, Brian Bosworth. My list can get pretty big if I think long enough on it.

Sounds more like an Anger Management Problem...deep breath now...in with the good air...out with the bad....feel any better now?. .. Or hey, you can buy a foam brick to throw at the TV when these guys show up during a game...

[desertrat]

LOL. No anger management issue here, just a complete lack of respect for some millionaire idiots is all. As for the Red Sox and Yankees, I really don't like any east coast teams, I am just a west coast homer all the way, and a Nebraska Cornhusker from my childhood days.

[38SadlerFan]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Isn't an air of cocky self confidence what we want in a field leader?...don't we all want a quarterback with a swagger who thinks he is a god on the field?

Actually, no. I think the opposite, really. In order to be a good leader, yes you must have confidence, but I think cockiness is a hinderance. I have never once heard him sing the praises of his linemen or the rest of the team in an interview (granted, I don't watch every Packer's game or every interview, but I have seen quite a few) and that, to me, just plain sucks. As for him being a Bear? Nope...still wouldn't like him. There are several players on teams I love I do not like because of their god-complexes. I guess I just get bugged by someone hogging the spotlight in team sports when it is clearly a team effort.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by 38SadlerFan

Actually, no. I think the opposite, really. In order to be a good leader, yes you must have confidence, but I think cockiness is a hinderance. I have never once heard him sing the praises of his linemen or the rest of the team in an interview (granted, I don't watch every Packer's game or every interview, but I have seen quite a few) and that, to me, just plain sucks. As for him being a Bear? Nope...still wouldn't like him. There are several players on teams I love I do not like because of their god-complexes. I guess I just get bugged by someone hogging the spotlight in team sports when it is clearly a team effort.

Greatness is an individual thing...even in a team sport...and most people who are great at something have a certain good degree of selfishness...its almost required...cockiness is often a wayward extension of that...

...and this side of the Sainted Roger Staubach, I haven't seen too many great quarterbacks that did not have a "god complex" or a gunslinger mentality...with all the egos in a huddle...one ego has to stand supreme...you think TO would have mouth off to Favre the same way he did to "nice quy, quiet leader" McNabb???...I'd doubt it...It's the old Bobby Lane School of Quarterbacking...which is, "get the job done in this huddle before I kick your butt all the way to the sidelines."...than again, I subscribe to the Darth Vader school of Project Management...

PS BTW, last I saw the Bears win anything...they had a brash, punk, cocky quarterback named Jim McMahon...just for the record...

[38SadlerFan]

PS BTW, last I saw the Bears win anything...they had a brash, punk, cocky quarterback named Jim McMahon...just for the record...

Yes, and he is one of the aforementioned athletes on teams I love that I disliked greatly. Oh, and if you think the '85-'86 Bears won because of that sweatband wearing fool, you need to be introduced to the awesome defense and a humble, yet undeniably great guy named Walter Payton.

I agree that bragging rights are in order when you do something good...but don't take all the credit when the offensive line is keeping your butt from hitting the turf. And once you hit a downslide and can't dig your way out? Bragging rights are over.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by 38SadlerFan

Yes, and he is one of the aforementioned athletes on teams I love that I disliked greatly. Oh, and if you think the '85-'86 Bears won because of that sweatband wearing fool, you need to be introduced to the awesome defense and a humble, yet undeniably great guy named Walter Payton.

I agree that bragging rights are in order when you do something good...but don't take all the credit when the offensive line is keeping your butt from hitting the turf. And once you hit a downslide and can't dig your way out? Bragging rights are over.

Ah, but the man taking the blunt of your critique did not have the fabled Bear defense, nor can the best offense of line in the world take a mediocre quarterback and produce a championship...and to say that at this late stage in his career he has much of team around him would be a stretch.

What's more we in part make them who they are. We establish the pecking order since grade school. We glorify the quarterback above all else all through their high school careers, and onto college. Who really knows, cares, or cheers for the offense of line? Whose football cards become the more valuable, the more collectable, when its all said and done? Yet, once we build them up, and put them on that marble pedestal and tell them that yes indeed they are gods...we can't stand them. We want them down. They aren't humble enough..gracious enough...What they are is who we wanted them to be...we made them in part long before we wait, stone in hand, to bring them down.

...as for your beloved headband wearing fool, he still played a major role...Payton was around since 1976...and the parts of the defense were there before and after McMahon...So credit the defense, and the runner all you want, but a team that has suffered through the likes of Bobby Douglas, Bob Avellini, Vince Evans and Mike Phipps, should at least offer a bit of thanks to the one halfway decent quarterback they've had in the last 30-40 years...even if he was a headband wearing, swaggering fool...

[legend]

I loathed Steve Howe, especially when he came to the Yankees. Letting him keep playing was the equivalent of leaving Richard Nixon in office, and then electing him to another term aftere that. I couldn't stand even the way Howe looked. He looked like his face had melted in the hot sun, which would have been too good for him.