[JKHOSS]

Originally Posted by chsbletz

All right, turn about is fair play. You asked me for examples, and I provided some. Now it's your turn. Please name three pro coaches who have moved to college coaching with considerable success.

OK..... MY TURN

RICH BROOKS

BILL CALLAHAN

PETE CARROLL

DENNIS ERICKSON

CHAN GAILEY

AL GROH

JUNE JONES

MIKE RILEY

BOBBY ROSS

STEVE SPURRIER

HOWARD SCHNELLENBERGER (DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S SPELLED)

DAVE WANNSTEDT

.........OH, IS THAT MORE THAN 3?...........

NOW, TURN ABOUT IS FAIR PLAY RIGHT????? GIVE ME 10 MORE AND YOU CAN WIN YOUR ARGUEMENT.

If you want to really get indept I can tell you what teams each of the coaches have played for or even their records if you want...

GO DUCKS

[Lefty Noob]

Okay, I've been sitting back and watching this unfold, but now I have to jump in. Nice list, JK... BUT, I think we're going to have to disqualify Dennis Erickson, Rich Brooks, Bobby Ross and Chan Gailey. Sorry to nitpick, but as I'm sure you know, all of them had their first head coaching job in college, then went to the pros, then back to the NCAA, so I don't think we can call them "pro coaches who have moved to college coaching" per se. They were college coaches first.

And then there's Mike Riley, who went from the CFL to the NCAA to the NFL then back to the NCAA... and Steve Spurrier was a USFL head coach first, I see, running the Tampa Bay Bandits before going to Duke.

[JKHOSS]

Originally Posted by chsbletz

Please name three pro coaches who have moved to college coaching with considerable success.

I can come up with more if needed......

The point I'm tring to make is that the transition from the NFL to college is the EASIER move to make..... by far...... and that saying there is no reason to think a coach will have sucess in college just because he has spent years in the NFL isn't a very good argument

I guess you could say that there is no "proof" Tony Stewart could step down and only run the Busch series with any sucess but I think most people would take his experience with the "big dogs" into account...

The average NFL playbook is over 30 times the size of ncaa div.1 play books....... sounds a bit harder.......need examples?

The biggest thing that makes this easier on the coach is the fact that players in the NFL make more money than their boss

and in college the coach usually can actually make descisions without talking to " the players people"..... or having idiots yell "don't talk to me" -TO.

[JKHOSS]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Okay, I've been sitting back and watching this unfold, but now I have to jump in. Nice list, JK... BUT, I think we're going to have to disqualify Dennis Erickson, Rich Brooks, Bobby Ross and Chan Gailey. Sorry to nitpick, but as I'm sure you know, all of them had their first head coaching job in college, then went to the pros, then back to the NCAA, so I don't think we can call them "pro coaches who have moved to college coaching" per se. They were college coaches first.

And then there's Mike Riley, who went from the CFL to the NCAA to the NFL then back to the NCAA... and Steve Spurrier was a USFL head coach first, I see, running the Tampa Bay Bandits before going to Duke.

I THINK THIS STARTED WITH MARIUCCI, WHO ALSO COACHED IN COLLEGE FIRST.......SO I THINK ALL MY COACHES COUNT IN THIS SITUATION

[chsbletz]

JKHoss: Brooks has a long-term losing record as a college coach, Ross is a flop at Army, and the jury is still out on Wannstedt. I think the three best ones you named are Carroll, Groh, and Callahan. One of the reasons former pro coaches fail in college is that they have distasteful duties to perform, like kissing-up to obnoxious alums, schmoozing with the university's president and board members, and setting up a system to keep really dumb players eligible without cheating. Another thing that some of them simply can't stand is the demands of recruiting, which compel them to visit prospects in their homes, entertain them for campus visits, and make endless phone calls to try to seal the deal. Some of them just aren't well-suited to performing those duties well, no matter how well they can do x's and o's. BTW, because Mariucci was at Cal only one season, it's unlikely that he ever had to do much with respect to recruiting.

RICH BROOKS

BILL CALLAHAN

PETE CARROLL

DENNIS ERICKSON

CHAN GAILEY

AL GROH

JUNE JONES

MIKE RILEY

BOBBY ROSS

STEVE SPURRIER

HOWARD SCHNELLENBERGER (DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S SPELLED)

DAVE WANNSTEDT

.........OH, IS THAT MORE THAN 3?...........

NOW, TURN ABOUT IS FAIR PLAY RIGHT????? GIVE ME 10 MORE AND YOU CAN WIN YOUR ARGUEMENT.

If you want to really get indept I can tell you what teams each of the coaches have played for or even their records if you want...

GO DUCKS[/quote]

[JKHOSS]

Originally Posted by chsbletz

JKHoss: I think the three best ones you named are Carroll, Groh, and Callahan. One of the reasons former pro coaches fail in college is that they have distasteful duties to perform, like kissing-up to obnoxious alums, schmoozing with the university's president and board members, and setting up a system to keep really dumb players eligible without cheating.

GO DUCKS

[/quote]

thanks.... All good reasons coaching in college is difficult.

I just think you would be hard pressed to find a coach in either league that would disagree that the NFL is the harder of the two.

This Seahawks vs. Rams game is amazing!

[chsbletz]

As much as I enjoy college football, I have lost whatever interest I ever had in the NFL. I find that I get a great deal more done on Sundays when I ignore it, and I have absolutely no sense of deprivation.

[JKHOSS]

Originally Posted by chsbletz

As much as I enjoy college football, I have lost whatever interest I ever had in the NFL. I find that I get a great deal more done on Sundays when I ignore it, and I have absolutely no sense of deprivation.

Sounds like your tired of all the NFL dramma, so you've gone exclusively to college...

Sounds like the same story a lot of coaches tell

Saints win

Hawks win

Titans win.... Great day of football so far

[chsbletz]

I think it's more a case of all the culture that has developed around the NFL--experts on top of experts, seat licenses, luxury boxes, players who are drama queens, and an increasing tendency to price the average fan right out of the game. I just lost my enthusiasm for it.