[WannaBeLikeMike]

Because it's true and I keep it real! This coming from the biggest Jordan fan ever!

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by WannaBeLikeMike

Not to mention have your father killed because you refuse to pay your gambling debt's and ruined possibly the greatest dynasty since the celtics because Mr. Stern forced you out of the league for two years and you had to go play minor league baseball just long enough for the fans to miss you and have all of the "hoopla" die down. Could've won 8 straight!

Mr. Stern forced him out?...or Michael beat his way out of the league?...can't hang it on Sterns...Michael did it to himself...

[WannaBeLikeMike]

Stern did force him out...Michael, when asked whether at the press conference he announced his retirement the first time, if he would ever consider coming back said quote " In a couple of years, if Mr. Stern let's me!"

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by WannaBeLikeMike

Stern did force him out...Michael, when asked whether at the press conference he announced his retirement the first time, if he would ever consider coming back said quote " In a couple of years, if Mr. Stern let's me!"

You miss the point...if Michael didn't gamble, Stern had no reason to kick out the league's star...Michael did it to himself...to blame Stern for Michael's mistakes is to have a blind eye about your idol's overall behavior...

[legend]

I wasn't going to bring up his father's death, but I have always had my suspicions. Jordan was far from perfect off the court, but close to perfect on it.

[MJHMarc]

Perfect is a strong word. He was decent, but not a god. If he made every shot, then I might consider him part of the supernatural.

His baseball career was the pits.

[bruceblitz2324]

Kobe is not as good as Michael Jordan,
Jordan could jump from behind the free throw line with ease in his prime, Kobe uses special fx in commercials to generate a free throw line dunk
Jordan proved he was clutch at the tender age of 19 by hitting a game winner in a national title game.
Kobe at the age of 19 was throwing up 3 straight air balls, blowing the Lakers chances in a pivital game with the Jazz.
Jordan in his prime averaged 8 assists per game and showed a great ability to bring his team up to a level that was perceived previous to each season as impossible until Pippen matured.
Kobe is not as good as Jordan at creating shots for his teammates, just look at the facts, look at the production, Kobe will never have a season over 8 assists per game like Michael did because Jordan was the better passer/playmaker and Jordan was much better at collapsing the defense, and this is specificly why guys like Kobe and KG settle for jumpers, they know they cant consistently get to the rim, when they do it is spectacular, but we are comparing him to Jordan here.
In his prime Jordan averaged 3-4 steals per game, Kobe's peak so far as far as defensive hustle/steals has been around 1.5 steals per game. Even Ron Artest hasnt ever averaged as many steals as Jordan did in his prime.
Jordan had a hell of alot of 50+ games where he shot less than 30 shots because he was efficient, I think Kobe has done this once or twice.
Everyone wants to brush off the stats, but stats prove what you are trying to say, if you want to make claims then it is pure b.s. unless your name is Magic Johnson, or Jerry West, I mean come on, we are talking about Jordan here.
Jordan had 6 seasons where he won a scoring title shooting over 50% and Kobe hasnt even had a season over 47% shooting, now think about that.
Jordan's career ppg avg 30.12 will not be touched by Kobe because he is too far behind, dont blame it on Shaq taking shots either because Shaq never took a ton of shots, Shaq's fg% was near 60% anyways, Kobe still was taking 15-20 shots per night with Shaq there so you can take that automatic excuse away right now. Jordan averaged over 30 points per game for his entire career, and Kobe has only 2 seasons (soon to be 3) over 30 points per game. You really want people to believe Kobe is "better"?
Jordan won 10 scoring titles in the golden era of the NBA while Kobe only has 1, soon to be 2 in 11 years. Kobe will never be recognized as being better than Jordan on a worldwide scale because quite frankly it would be downright stupid to say that.
Jordan averaged 33.45 ppg in the playoffs career vs Kobe who is at 22.5 ppg in the playoffs for his career. Jordan shot 49% for his career in the playoffs and Kobe shoots 43% for his career in the playoffs, come on guys. Jordan averaged 41 ppg in the finals one year.
Seriously, Kobe is a career 45% shooter and you want to claim he is better than a career 50% shooter with a higher shot %?
Jordan was recognized by most of the league as the best defensive player of his era, when has anyone even claimed Kobe is the best defender in the NBA? It sure wasnt when Arenas was dumping 60 on him.
Jordan actually had a season 35ppg 53% shooting 8 reb 8 ast 3 stl, come on that is one of the greatest all around seasons ever. Now Kobe jacks up a ton of shots to score some points in some close victories over sub 500 teams and now we compare him to Jordan? I thought these comparisons went away when Kobe lost in the 2004 finals WITH SHAQ. I couldnt see Jordan losing to the 2004 pistons with Shaq as his teammate.
Jez, I really could go on forever, anyone comparing Kobe to Jordan, you really are enamoured with scoring, you dont understand what a complete player is, you dont understand fg%, and you glorify short term flashes of brilliance. Guess what, Kobe's career numbers are still virtually even with Vince Carter, seriously, look it up, and Lebron James career avg are so far ahead of Kobe I dont know why this isnt a Lebron thread.

[Kobe24]

Okay. Kobe Bryant is the most determined, well-rounded, flat out best player of all-time. He goes incognito with the alias "Black Mamba". You want to continually bring of the six to three championship ratio into play. You all need to realize that Michael Jordan's came with the help of two all-stars. Kobe's came with the help of one. Kobe has also hit more game-winning shots than Michael Jordan. Then if you want to pull the rape card, which has nothing to do with how talented he is, you will see that the charges were dropped because she had no support. Yes it was immoral butit was consentual. He is also so much bigger of a one-man wrecking crew. Ever since Shaq left Kobe has carried the lakers to the play-offs every year on his own and this year it will be with the help of his new team. Kobe is better and I am tired of the world dissing Kobe and supporting Michael. Kobe is BETTER!

[Phils20]

Ya know why the world disses Kobe??

Because even with his flaws, Jordan was Likeable.

Kobe is just so damn arrogant, that looking at him makes folks feel dirty!!

I'm sure Jordan was just as cocky, but there was just something about him that didn't make you feel dirty when you rooted for him.

Maybe that is unfair of me, but if so, Tough. I'm honest enough to be a proud Kobe basher, and will be for life.

Oh, and it has nothing to do with off the court. That stuff is for the tabloid readers. I could are less.

[PettyBlue]

I will say that MJ had the best push off move ever in the NBA.Take a look at his so called last and great shot on vid.