[Gotham Dark Knight]

January 26, 2009
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Associated Press
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DALLAS — The coach of a Texas high school basketball team that beat another team 100-0 was fired Sunday, the same day he sent an e-mail to a newspaper saying he will not apologize "for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."
Kyle Queal, the headmaster for Covenant School, said in The Dallas Morning News online edition that he could not answer if the firing was a direct result of coach Micah Grimes' e-mail disagreeing with administrators who called the blowout "shameful."
Queal did not immediately answer phone messages or e-mail from The Associated Press.
On its Web site last week, Covenant, a private Christian school, posted a statement regretting the outcome of its Jan. 13 shutout win over Dallas Academy. "It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened. This clearly does not reflect a Christlike and honorable approach to competition," said the statement, signed by Queal and board chair Todd Doshier.
Grimes, who has been criticized for letting the game get so far out of hand, made it clear in the e-mail Sunday to the newspaper that he does not agree with his school's assessment.
"In response to the statement posted on The Covenant School Web site, I do not agree with the apology or the notion that the Covenant School girls basketball team should feel embarrassed or ashamed," Grimes wrote in the e-mail, according to the newspaper. "We played the game as it was meant to be played. My values and my beliefs would not allow me to run up the score on any opponent, and it will not allow me to apologize for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity."
A phone number for Grimes could not be located by The Associated Press. The Dallas Morning News said Grimes did not respond to their repeated e-mail requests for a telephone interview.
There was no answer at a number listed for Doshier.
A parent who attended the game said Covenant continued to make 3-pointers— even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.
Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.
Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.
There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become one-sided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools, said last week. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas. The story has received national attention,

FIRED for winning by a lopsided score???
Oh please its a competitive sport with no mercy rule..

I can see it being in bad taste (maybe) but Fired???...That is TOO PC for my taste.

[Quality88]

I smell a lawsuit in the future. This is a crock. Yeah they probably should have backed off, but then what do you teach the kids. You should let up just because your whippin someone to much.

To me it would have been in good taste to put a bunch of freshmen in and let them get some playin time. The other team could have thrown some points up.

What message does it say to kids though when their coach gets fired cause they whip someone ☻☻☻☻☻? "Don't beat the other team by to much kids... I can't lose my job I have a family to feed, and I don't want to be sued for hurtin their feelings"

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Quality88

I smell a lawsuit in the future. This is a crock. Yeah they probably should have backed off, but then what do you teach the kids. You should let up just because your whippin someone to much.

To me it would have been in good taste to put a bunch of freshmen in and let them get some playin time. The other team could have thrown some points up.

What message does it say to kids though when their coach gets fired cause they whip someone ☻☻☻☻☻? "Don't beat the other team by to much kids... I can't lose my job I have a family to feed, and I don't want to be sued for hurtin their feelings"

I am with ya bro...and if I was on the losing end of a 0-100 loss, I would want to know that the other team didn't let up on me and let me score either...

[Full Cougar]

I've heard so much about this. First I saw on Yahoo, "Team Wins 100-0 Basketball Game" then on Yahoo I saw "School Sorry for 100-0 Win". Now I just saw here that the guy got fired. I wasn't there, but I don't know how much they let up or didn't let up but what could the coach say? "Stop trying to score"? If he just put in all of his back-ups then I think I would be OK with it. If the students were just playing basketball then isn't that OK?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Full Cougar

I've heard so much about this. First I saw on Yahoo, "Team Wins 100-0 Basketball Game" then on Yahoo I saw "School Sorry for 100-0 Win". Now I just saw here that the guy got fired. I wasn't there, but I don't know how much they let up or didn't let up but what could the coach say? "Stop trying to score"? If he just put in all of his back-ups then I think I would be OK with it. If the students were just playing basketball then isn't that OK?

A team that loses 0-100 and hasn't won a game in 4 years, should not be fielding a team in that district. If they do, and the talent is not there to compete, then they get what they get...

They complain about 3-pointer...but would hitting layup after layup be more sporting? At least they can miss the 3-point attempts.

[Bob Tanner]

Total BS if I ever heard of it.

But I don't run the school so... What do I know? I think running up a score if kind of cheap but a firing offense? Must be one of the "kinder and gentler" schools where they put a really high priority of self esteem.

[Racer Duck]

I can see it now:

up by 59-0 so "listen up girls. the game plan for the 2nd half is as we bring the ball down court, casually hand it over to the other team and everybody stand there acting surprised while they take it and score; we need to do this about 10-15 times so it won't look like we're running up the score .. but we really have to try to score a few times also."

yeah, if I was on the 0 for 4 years team, I'd really appreciate them helping us out. the only thing that would have made it better is if they'd loaned us their starting lineup for the game.

[Bette]

Oh, I think someone should be fired alright. But not the coach who did what he was paid to do, coach his team to a win.
I think the headmaster, Queal, should get his butt kicked out the door.
I am not familiar with the setup between schools in Texas. But this doesnt appear to be any kind of interschool league. I dont know why the Covenant School played the Academy, nor do I know how big Covenant is or how many kids are there. But the Academy is small. And gentlemen did you miss the part where it said it teaches kids with learning disabilities or differences? I assume the kids at Covenant are average.
Do you have any idea what this did to the kids from the Academy? Or is winning all that matters in this instance.
If the difference between the two schools is as great as it would appear to be, it seems there should have been someone there, say the head master, to be sure this didnt happen. Or perhaps something set up beforehand, maybe a shorter playing time? I am sure their brilliant minds could have thought of something that would give the Academy kids a chance to play.

[Bob Tanner]

I still think it total BS. The school is there for academics, not sports. (Or it supposed to be, anyway) What difference does it make if the team has 10 years of non-winning in its jock programs? If I were a parent there I'd be a whole lot more worried about what kind of GPA the graduates have and how honest of a score that GPA is.
IMNSVHO, things like this are one of the major problems with our school systems today. Too high a priority on sports and not enough on academics. I think both schools would well be served to just get the Hell over it.

Self disclosure moment: In HS I lettered three years in baseball and three years in cross country. So, that opinion is not coming from one who has had zero personal involvement in sports.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Bette

Oh, I think someone should be fired alright. But not the coach who did what he was paid to do, coach his team to a win.
I think the headmaster, Queal, should get his butt kicked out the door.
I am not familiar with the setup between schools in Texas. But this doesnt appear to be any kind of interschool league. I dont know why the Covenant School played the Academy, nor do I know how big Covenant is or how many kids are there. But the Academy is small. And gentlemen did you miss the part where it said it teaches kids with learning disabilities or differences? I assume the kids at Covenant are average.
Do you have any idea what this did to the kids from the Academy? Or is winning all that matters in this instance.
If the difference between the two schools is as great as it would appear to be, it seems there should have been someone there, say the head master, to be sure this didnt happen. Or perhaps something set up beforehand, maybe a shorter playing time? I am sure their brilliant minds could have thought of something that would give the Academy kids a chance to play.

Yeah, it taught the kids that they can get their butt kicked in sports and the sun still shone the next day...come on Bette...losing, is part of life...as much as winning...why must we protect kids from "losing" at something...that is silly...they will never be prepared for life if they never learn that some times you can actually lose...and worse, some times you can get your butt absolutely handed to you at something.

Hopefully some of the kids will realize that maybe music not basketball is what they are good at...etc...

Though the fact that the school has not one a game in 4 years should be telling the school something...should have fore shadowed the beating on the court...

[Bob Tanner]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Yeah, it taught the kids that they can get their butt kicked in sports and the sun still shone the next day...come on Bette...losing, is part of life...as much as winning...why must we protect kids from "losing" at something...that is silly...they will never be prepared for life if they never learn that some times you can actually lose...and worse, some times you can get your butt absolutely handed to you at something.

Hopefully some of the kids will realize that maybe music not basketball is what they are good at...etc...

Can I get an AMEN!!!, Brother Knight? Totally agree.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

[quote=Bob Tanner;363967]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Yeah, it taught the kids that they can get their butt kicked in sports and the sun still shone the next day...come on Bette...losing, is part of life...as much as winning...why must we protect kids from "losing" at something...that is silly...they will never be prepared for life if they never learn that some times you can actually lose...and worse, some times you can get your butt absolutely handed to you at something.

Hopefully some of the kids will realize that maybe music not basketball is what they are good at...etc...
QUOTE]
Can I get an AMEN!!!, Brother Knight? Totally agree.

Amen B.T.

[Bette]

No, I didnt say they should be protected from losing. I said they shouldnt have been broken by a 100-0 whipping.
I dont know just exactly how bad the kids learning disabilities are, but no way do you use their disabilities to totally humiliate them. And thats what happened here. These kids have been on the losing end all their life so dont tell me or them that they need to learn about losing.
have you never dealt with kids who were less than average?
The problem is we dont have enough facts here. We dont know enough.
Were it one of my grandkids who are average (I hate the word normal in this case) and she got beat 100-0 because her team was bad, I'd say suck it up kid. And teach her to laugh about it if she already didnt.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Bette

No, I didnt say they should be protected from losing. I said they shouldnt have been broken by a 100-0 whipping.
I dont know just exactly how bad the kids learning disabilities are, but no way do you use their disabilities to totally humiliate them. And thats what happened here. These kids have been on the losing end all their life so dont tell me or them that they need to learn about losing.
have you never dealt with kids who were less than average?
The problem is we dont have enough facts here. We dont know enough.
Were it one of my grandkids who are average (I hate the word normal in this case) and she got beat 100-0 because her team was bad, I'd say suck it up kid. And teach her to laugh about it if she already didnt.

No...that point I can agree on...a school should not put kids who are already struggling with self esteem issues in line to get totally thrashed...
they need to find a suitable level of competition...but the parents signed a permission slip to let their troubled kids onto a team that has not won in 4 years and which faces stiff competition...so there is plenty of guilt to go around...the lynching of the winning coach is not the answer...heck, I'd fire the losing coach first...

[Quality88]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

No...that point I can agree on...a school should not put kids who are already struggling with self esteem issues in line to get totally thrashed...
they need to find a suitable level of competition...but the parents signed a permission slip to let their troubled kids onto a team that has not won in 4 years and which faces stiff competition...so there is plenty of guilt to go around...the lynching of the winning coach is not the answer...heck, I'd fire the losing coach first...

There you go. I like this idea.