[ThePundit]

How come there are no kickers and punters in the NFL HOF? That's a little arrogant to exclude them don't you think? I mean they play such an important part of the game. They often decide games. Ray Guy should definitely be in...Kickers: Vinatierri when he retires, Maye a guy like Pete Stoyonavich. Gary Anderson is another one. Maybe Morten Andersen. Anyone else agree?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by ThePundit

How come there are no kickers and punters in the NFL HOF? That's a little arrogant to exclude them don't you think? I mean they play such an important part of the game. They often decide games. Ray Guy should definitely be in...Kickers: Vinatierri when he retires, Maye a guy like Pete Stoyonavich. Gary Anderson is another one. Maybe Morten Andersen. Anyone else agree?

Jan Stenerud 1967-1985...Is a Hall of Famer....so is George Blanda (though he was also a QB), ..Sammy Baugh punted as well...


I would add Jerald Wilson, the Kansas City Punter...Anderson and Andersen as well...

[candlejack]

Ray Guy should definately be in. Maybe even Ray Wershing from the 49ers.

[Lefty Noob]

Hmm... Ray Guy, Sean Landeta, Morten Andersen, Gary Anderson. Vinatieri when he retires. Vanderjagt, maybe? He IS the most accurate kicker in NFL history - just ask him! Not sure who else I would add. What about non-kicking special teamers? Anyone have any idea what a Gunner was before Steve Tasker came along?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Hmm... Ray Guy, Sean Landeta, Morten Andersen, Gary Anderson. Vinatieri when he retires. Vanderjagt, maybe? He IS the most accurate kicker in NFL history - just ask him! Not sure who else I would add. What about non-kicking special teamers? Anyone have any idea what a Gunner was before Steve Tasker came along?

Guy is a must...Landeta?...in his dreams maybe...

Anderson and Andersen you can make strong cases for...

Vinatieri over Vanderjagt...

And Wershing?...He will have to buy a ticket like everyone else...

[ThePundit]

What about Jason Elam when he retires?

[Lefty Noob]

You want the case for Landeta? According to his bio at NFLPlayers.com, Landeta was (is?) the longest tenured punter in NFL history. He was a first-team member of the 1980s all-decade team and a second-team member of the 1990s all-decade squad, one of only 7 players to earn a spot on both squads. He's either first or second all-time in terms of punts made, and if he isn't still the NFL's all-time leader in career punting yardage (57,491) and highest average for over 1,000 punts (43.3), he was as of his 20th NFL season. I'd say that's a Hall of Fame career, wouldn't you?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

You want the case for Landeta? According to his bio at NFLPlayers.com, Landeta was (is?) the longest tenured punter in NFL history. He was a first-team member of the 1980s all-decade team and a second-team member of the 1990s all-decade squad, one of only 7 players to earn a spot on both squads. He's either first or second all-time in terms of punts made, and if he isn't still the NFL's all-time leader in career punting yardage (57,491) and highest average for over 1,000 punts (43.3), he was as of his 20th NFL season. I'd say that's a Hall of Fame career, wouldn't you?

Nope...he's a freakin punter...unless Ray Guy or Gerald Wilson (the old KC Punter) get in...I wouldn't even take a look at Landeta....Landeta won't go in for the same reasons a guy like Steve DeBerg won't go in...DeBerg threw for a hell of a lot of yards in his colorful career...and all the yards didn't amount to a hill of beans...I's put in Reggie Roby over him...or Rohn Stark...cause Landeta had the quiets 57,000 yards in league history.

[Lefty Noob]

Wait... you're comparing him to Steve DeBerg? Last time I checked DeBerg wasn't a member of two all-decade teams. Ten players have at least 1,000 career punts (and I'm assuming Ray Guy is one of them). None of them have a higher yards per punt average than Landeta. How in the world can you say you'd take Roby or Stark over him?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Wait... you're comparing him to Steve DeBerg? Last time I checked DeBerg wasn't a member of two all-decade teams. Ten players have at least 1,000 career punts (and I'm assuming Ray Guy is one of them). None of them have a higher yards per punt average than Landeta. How in the world can you say you'd take Roby or Stark over him?

Come now...punting average?...okay....lets look at punting average...Guy kicked the hell out of the ball, but the fact that Oakland drove it down the field effectively cut back on his average...as he had to kick them out of boune with regularity.

Deberg's comparison is made on yards...as to say...so what?...57,000 yards...whoopie...he just kicked in the age of a 16 game schedule and played a position where injuries are not all that common.

Stark's average was 43.1 (only dragged down by his last 3 years) similar to Landeta...he had 5 years over a 44 average...he is no worse than Landeta...Landeta jsut lasted a bit longer...

As to the All-Decade Team...not my choice...I always felt there where a lot better punters in the league...

Roby was also 43.3 in lifetime and had 5 seasons over 44...

both Stark an Roby had over 40,000 yards punted in lifetime...

Both Stark and Roby I'd take in my all-time team over Landetta...and I do not see a long line of Stark and Roby fans wanting Hall of Fame induction...

How are we always on the opposite ends of Punter related posts?...

[Lefty Noob]

Ha ha! That's a good question!

Here's a better one - why am I arguing so feverently for Landeta when I really don't care whether he makes or not?

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

Ha ha! That's a good question!

Here's a better one - why am I arguing so feverently for Landeta when I really don't care whether he makes or not?

Ditto...slow Monday...I guess...I am much too passionate about freakin punters...I need a life man!

[Lefty Noob]

You're definitely right about one thing - punting average is way overrated. Give me a guy who kicks it 35 yards and pins the opposing team inside the 10 yard line every time, not a guy who booms it 50-60 yards and constantly surrenders touchbacks. Coffin corner kicking is a lost art.

[legend]

Landeta peed his pants when the Bears were coming after him on his infamous "swing and miss" punt that gave Chicago a touchdown against the Giants. That alone keeps him out in my book.
But seriously, the name of the game is FOOT-ball. How many games are won and lost by field position and missed or made field goals? There should be much more representation of kickers at Canton. Guy is a definite. He was an actual weapon. Roby is a good choice as well.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by legend

Landeta peed his pants when the Bears were coming after him on his infamous "swing and miss" punt that gave Chicago a touchdown against the Giants. That alone keeps him out in my book.
But seriously, the name of the game is FOOT-ball. How many games are won and lost by field position and missed or made field goals? There should be much more representation of kickers at Canton. Guy is a definite. He was an actual weapon. Roby is a good choice as well.

Glad to see I am not the only one that would rate Roby over Landeta...