[vincesanity82]

NFL commish Roger Goodell has gone on record in saying that the current system of rookie contracts is "ridiculous".

"There's something wrong about the system," Goodell said Friday. "The money should go to people who perform."

"[Top overall pick Jake Long] doesn't have to play a down in the NFL and he already has his money," Goodell said during a question-and-answer period at the end of a weeklong sports symposium at the Chautauqua Institution. "Now, with the economics where they are, the consequences if you don't evaluate that player, you can lose a significant amount of money.

"And that money is not going to players that are performing. It's going to a player that never makes it in the NFL. And I think that's ridiculous."

Roger Goodell Says Current Rookie Pay Is 'Ridiculous' and 'There's Something Wrong' - FanHouse - AOL Sports Blog

[Seahawker 562]

About time someone says it. Specially with Mcfaddens contract

[Bette]

I agree with Goodell.
Although I also read that this is part of the collective bargaining agreement and the players have themselves to blame. So maybe the owners opting out isnt such a bad idea. There are many things that need fixing and maybe they will address them.
Of course, I wont hold my breath.

[simple simon]

Originally Posted by Seahawker 562

About time someone says it. Specially with Mcfaddens contract

why would you single out McFadden ?

if i had to pick a recent joke of a contract and negotiations that stand out to me i would choose JaMarcus Russel .... he hasnt done a dang thing to earn a penny of his contract and he held out like he is the next Manning brother

[Seahawker 562]

Originally Posted by simple simon

why would you single out McFadden ?

if i had to pick a recent joke of a contract and negotiations that stand out to me i would choose JaMarcus Russel .... he hasnt done a dang thing to earn a penny of his contract and he held out like he is the next Manning brother

Just cuz his was recent and most people know about his new contract, didnt mean to single him out

[Gotham Dark Knight]

I totally disagree...its a free market...teams can do whatever the heck they want...and players can strike and hold the NFL hostage in return if they do not think its fair...and the world goes round and round...Goodell can give whatever opinion he wants...owners will always find a way to sign someone to more pay...agents will make sure...and players will say..."Hey, I have been under pressure to perform and take hits since high school...screw you if I get paid now."...more power to them if they can leverage what they have to a big pay off...

Who here would not want that kind of leverage in the job they have???...I would! I would take as much pay as I can leverage out of a new employer without ever proving myself...they in turn would cut my sorry butt for whatever reason they want...and the world would still go round and round.

[LSC9901]

I realize there are loop holes to every situation but there is this thing called salary caps. If they want to pay some unproven a major portion of the available team salary ... so be it.

Now if you want to discuss how this affect the fans wallet ... we'll need another thread for that.

[Bette]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

I totally disagree...its a free market...teams can do whatever the heck they want...and players can strike and hold the NFL hostage in return if they do not think its fair...and the world goes round and round...Goodell can give whatever opinion he wants...owners will always find a way to sign someone to more pay...agents will make sure...and players will say..."Hey, I have been under pressure to perform and take hits since high school...screw you if I get paid now."...more power to them if they can leverage what they have to a big pay off...

Who here would not want that kind of leverage in the job they have???...I would! I would take as much pay as I can leverage out of a new employer without ever proving myself...they in turn would cut my sorry butt for whatever reason they want...and the world would still go round and round.

I am not so sure that Goodell wont be able to bear some pressure somehow.
Yeah, its a free market, and its part of the CBA, but the system is a little out of whack. I think it needs some fixing, but I think you are right that it will end up working the same way it always would worked. Money talks.
And just for the record, no, I wouldnt want to get paid way more than I was worth. Ever. Besides, it doesnt work that way in the rest of the world. That would be like if say I wrote in high school, so now publishers, I will hold out until you pay me this whopping big amount of money for a book I havent written yet.
At least , thats the way I see it.

[Lefty Noob]

Well, I've chimed in on this in the past. I think the league needs a rookie cap.
Set a maximum entry-level salary. No harm in that; employers all over the country do it.

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by Bette

I am not so sure that Goodell wont be able to bear some pressure somehow.
Yeah, its a free market, and its part of the CBA, but the system is a little out of whack. I think it needs some fixing, but I think you are right that it will end up working the same way it always would worked. Money talks.
And just for the record, no, I wouldnt want to get paid way more than I was worth. Ever. Besides, it doesnt work that way in the rest of the world. That would be like if say I wrote in high school, so now publishers, I will hold out until you pay me this whopping big amount of money for a book I havent written yet.
At least , thats the way I see it.

Is that some sort of shot at Lefty ????

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Bette

I am not so sure that Goodell wont be able to bear some pressure somehow.
Yeah, its a free market, and its part of the CBA, but the system is a little out of whack. I think it needs some fixing, but I think you are right that it will end up working the same way it always would worked. Money talks.
And just for the record, no, I wouldnt want to get paid way more than I was worth. Ever. Besides, it doesnt work that way in the rest of the world. That would be like if say I wrote in high school, so now publishers, I will hold out until you pay me this whopping big amount of money for a book I havent written yet.
At least , thats the way I see it.

To each his own...but totally the wrong country for it...

nobody is paid what they are worth, because "worth" is a subjective term...people are paid exactly what someone is willing to pay them and not a penny more...it makes this country go round and round...unlike some other places in the world.

As for the publisher...if he thought you could write a best seller because you killed your high school class and are writing from death row now...you would need zero experience to cut a book deal...a publisher like anyone else is wanting to make money...if there is a market for the story, experience goes out the freakin window...no? I think so...

[Bette]

Originally Posted by LSC9901

Is that some sort of shot at Lefty ????

No, it was the only thing I could think of that might be relevant to me.
Wasnt thinking of Lefty at all.

[Bette]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

I totally disagree...its a free market...teams can do whatever the heck they want...and players can strike and hold the NFL hostage in return if they do not think its fair...and the world goes round and round...Goodell can give whatever opinion he wants...owners will always find a way to sign someone to more pay...agents will make sure...and players will say..."Hey, I have been under pressure to perform and take hits since high school...screw you if I get paid now."...more power to them if they can leverage what they have to a big pay off...

Who here would not want that kind of leverage in the job they have???...I would! I would take as much pay as I can leverage out of a new employer without ever proving myself...they in turn would cut my sorry butt for whatever reason they want...and the world would still go round and round.

A free market yes, but a lot of the team owners are complaining that player costs are taking too big of a bite out of their profit. Green Bay isnt the only one. This has to be another reason for opting out of the CBA. Who do you think they want to give the big bucks to-- some wet behind the ears rookie
who has yet to play a down in the NFL or a proven veteran who still has good years left in him???

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Bette

A free market yes, but a lot of the team owners are complaining that player costs are taking too big of a bite out of their profit. Green Bay isnt the only one. This has to be another reason for opting out of the CBA. Who do you think they want to give the big bucks to-- some wet behind the ears rookie
who has yet to play a down in the NFL or a proven veteran who still has good years left in him???

So let's see...they cause the problem and they complain about profits, is that what you are saying?...hmmm...that sound right to you???

And what part of...."people get paid exactly what someone else wants to pay them"...does not make sense????....A rookie gets paid exactly what an owner wants to pay him and not a penny more...

Let me know the day a rookie holds a gun to an owners head in a contract negotiation and I will say you have a point...until then, go rookie get want you can...shame on you owner for being stupid...and the rest of the people that don't like it...free country, so shout from the soap box all you want and cast a vote for socialism next election...for now we are a free market republic and that really, really floats my boat...

[Bette]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

So let's see...they cause the problem and they complain about profits, is that what you are saying?...hmmm...that sound right to you???

And what part of...."people get paid exactly what someone else wants to pay them"...does not make sense????....A rookie gets paid exactly what an owner wants to pay him and not a penny more...

Let me know the day a rookie holds a gun to an owners head in a contract negotiation and I will say you have a point...until then, go rookie get want you can...shame on you owner for being stupid...and the rest of the people that don't like it...free country, so shout from the soap box all you want and cast a vote for socialism next election...for now we are a free market republic and that really, really floats my boat...

So how is the salary cap different then? Shouldnt be in there should it? Owners cause the problem? Not by themselves they dont. Money grubbing agents have some part in it. A lot of pressure is put on owners to go get these high priced youngsters. So fans have some part in it. Everyone loses their common sense in these things.
You really think owners dont get pressured into paying rookies more than they want?
What happens to an owner if he doesnt meet the rookie's demands? He's lost a first pick and a good chance to make his team better for the coming year. Sounds like a gun to the head to me.
And isnt socialism about governments? "THE PLAYER'S UNION, THE OWNERS ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER TO PUT A CAP INTO PLACE" Where does socialism come into the picture? No big brother involved here.