[vincesanity82]

John Madden, who coached the Oakland Raiders from 1969-79, said stealing signs is nothing new. "Well, I mean, we all did it, and that was part of it, getting signals," he said. "Every coach in the world is always pushing to get a competitive advantage, that's always been happening. "And if they are giving away cues, or clues, or whatever tendencies that you could pick up, you take them, and you play against them. "Part of it is a player giving away a play. Part of it can be the snap count, part of it can be signals that they're signaling in, or you hear the things they yell. That's always been, happening from Day 1 of football." -- Boston Globe

Madden charged up over stealing signs - The Boston Globe

[azrael492]

This is exactly what I was talking about in the other thread on this subject. I thought this has been happening from the first day. Where has Goodell been that he didn't know this.

[vincesanity82]

so would you say using video cameras is the same thing as picking up on clues and signs?

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by vincesanity82

so would you say using video cameras is the same thing as picking up on clues and signs?

yes I would. What is the difference from doing what they did to every team watching hours of film on the opposing team to see how they play...picking up on how they line up in certain situations. The film they watch has to have the opposing coaches on it at some point showing signs. They could TIVO the game from CBS and see coaches signalling plays. It is done in just about every sport I would think. How many times do you think a better has used his peripheral vision to see where the ball is going to be thrown even though it is not allowed. How many times has a catcher set up in one spot and had the ball thrown to another spot just to throw the batter off in case he is looking. I don't see it as a big deal in any sport. If Patriots are smart enough to decode the signs, that should give them an advantage. Other teams are just steamed that they can't figure it out. Just my opinion.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Yeah but Madden was a Raider...so its okay...

[NASCAR Gnome]

The question I have is why bother cheating when you have a very good team? I'd understand it more if it happened to a team that sucks but for a team and staff that has been champions three of the past six or seven years is the toughest point for me to understand. It's just stupid and if everyone does it, it's even MORE stupid that these guys got caught!

[LSC9901]

Originally Posted by azrael492

yes I would. What is the difference from doing what they did to every team watching hours of film on the opposing team to see how they play...picking up on how they line up in certain situations. The film they watch has to have the opposing coaches on it at some point showing signs. They could TIVO the game from CBS and see coaches signalling plays. It is done in just about every sport I would think. How many times do you think a better has used his peripheral vision to see where the ball is going to be thrown even though it is not allowed. How many times has a catcher set up in one spot and had the ball thrown to another spot just to throw the batter off in case he is looking. I don't see it as a big deal in any sport. If Patriots are smart enough to decode the signs, that should give them an advantage. Other teams are just steamed that they can't figure it out. Just my opinion.

Az ... be careful here. You're treading on sacred ground. I argued the same deal and they tried to pound me into the ground. I even said what Madden said but I was boo hoo'd. I'm on your side with this one !!!