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Old 03-13-2006, 12:54 PM
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There is a reason the Cardinals...

are terrible every year. 30 million dollars over four years for a running back. Well done Arizona. Not only that it is possible for the "edge" to make 15 million in his first year. Great.
Look what Baltimore just did, Mike Anderson, 4 years, and 8 million dollars. Who has been a more successful franchise, Baltimore or Arizona?
Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
Ive said it before and I will say it again, there are 15 to 20 different backs in this league that can get you 100 yards a game. Edgerin James is one, and Mike Anderson is one. Mike Anderson cost about 2 million dollars a year and the "edge" cost almost 10 million dollars a year.
If you think that Edgerin James is 8 million dollars a year better than Mike Anderson you are crazy.
And In the case of Arizona, not only are you crazy but you are a loser and will continue to be a loser.
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Old 03-13-2006, 12:57 PM
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Re: There is a reason the Cardinals...

Who Dey,

I agree. They would have been much better off spending money on the guys in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

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Old 03-13-2006, 01:22 PM
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Re: There is a reason the Cardinals...

Baltimore just signed Anderson for $2 million a year for 4 years? Man, what a steal!
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Old 03-13-2006, 01:29 PM
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Re: There is a reason the Cardinals...

It really is interesting to see how some clubs operate. The Steeler fans have watched the Rooney's over the years and sometimes get frustrated because they let some guys go but I have to tell you they are excellent businessmen as well as football men. Randle El is a case in point. The Cardinals had a golden opportunity. Let's see how their decisions pan out. I still think that running backs can be had easier than good lineman.

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Old 03-13-2006, 03:54 PM
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Re: There is a reason the Cardinals...

Unfortunately, in sports, sometimes it's not a matter of purely winning every game when signing a player, as much as it is about getting people in the seats to watch the game. Yes, the franchise would have been much better off not paying James that much money to find a decent running back, but in getting people to come to the game, they did a great job.

Emmitt Smith, although he didn't turn attendance around, I do believe raised revenue and brought fans to come see him play.

Unfortunately, the Arizona Cardinals haven't been a successful franchise, despite being the NFL's oldest and longest surviving franchse. So, they need to bring people into the seats, even if it means offering a ridiculus amount of money to James, so that he looks no further.
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:21 PM
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Re: There is a reason the Cardinals...

Bingo. Don't have to explain it anymore to this life long Bengals fan. When you have as horrible a reputation as the Cardinals do, or as the Bengals did, it is near impossible to get quality free agents to sign at the money they are worth.
However, the Bengals proved, and the Cardinals are proving, that it is clearly the wrong way to go about things. Winning brings people to the stadium and nothing else. Oh yes, maybe for the first few weeks of the season people will show up to see the "edge", but it wont last.
Arizona already has stars that they can market in Larry fitzgerlad and Anquon Bolden, I think thats how you spell his name.
In my opinion the Emmitt Smith experiment was a disaster. It did nothing but impede the teams progress and evolution. By doing this they insured that they would be a terrible football team for even a longer period of time.
I would think that now would be the time to attempt to grow the team in a positve direction. They have a new stadium, no one expects the playoffs next season, and they have a core of good young talent, at least at the wide receiver position.
My point is, even from the buisness model point of view it remains a bad buisness decision.
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:11 PM
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Re: There is a reason the Cardinals...

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are terrible every year. 30 million dollars over four years for a running back. Well done Arizona. Not only that it is possible for the "edge" to make 15 million in his first year. Great. .
As questionable as this move might be on paper, I don't think it's half as bad as the saints throwing 6 years and 60 million at Drew Brees with a torn up shoulder. The same Drew brees who very much benefitted from having LT in his backfield.

At least Arizona's move makes for a potent offense. Remember, this was a team who passed for more yardage than any team in football and has the best WR tandem in the NFL.
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:23 PM
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Good quarterbacks are few and far between. Running backs, well, they come a little easier. If New Orleans truly feels that Drew Brees is a franchise quarterback and is better than Lynert has the potential to be then I feel it may have been a good move for them.

In all liklihood the Saints will be just as bad, if not worse than the Cardinals next season. However, it is my opinion that it is much more important to secure the services of a solid QB than a running back.
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:32 PM
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Good quarterbacks are few and far between. Running backs, well, they come a little easier. If New Orleans truly feels that Drew Brees is a franchise quarterback and is better than Lynert has the potential to be then I feel it may have been a good move for them.

In all liklihood the Saints will be just as bad, if not worse than the Cardinals next season. However, it is my opinion that it is much more important to secure the services of a solid QB than a running back.
I wouldn't disagree, but I'd also say that the Edge doens't have the major injuries to recover from like Brees, has had a proven track recrd and still didn't csot the Cards the kind of money that Brees cost the Saints.
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Old 03-15-2006, 04:46 PM
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Re: There is a reason the Cardinals...

The Cardinals are also looking to fill their new stadium which I believe they expect to begin playing in this season. I went to A Coyote's hockey game recently and saw the new stadium near completion and the model that shows all the rest of what is planned for the area. They are building an entire sports complex with shops, restaurants, and hotels and the Fiesta Bowl is scheduled to be played there this year as well. Would be a shame to have that nice new stadium and still have the same old Cardinals playing there.
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Old 03-16-2006, 10:42 PM
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Let me go on record and say that the Cardinals letting McCown go is a bigger crime than giving that contract to Edge.
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Old 05-15-2006, 06:21 PM
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Re: There is a reason the Cardinals...

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are terrible every year. 30 million dollars over four years for a running back. Well done Arizona. Not only that it is possible for the "edge" to make 15 million in his first year. Great.
Look what Baltimore just did, Mike Anderson, 4 years, and 8 million dollars. Who has been a more successful franchise, Baltimore or Arizona?
Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.
Ive said it before and I will say it again, there are 15 to 20 different backs in this league that can get you 100 yards a game. Edgerin James is one, and Mike Anderson is one. Mike Anderson cost about 2 million dollars a year and the "edge" cost almost 10 million dollars a year.
If you think that Edgerin James is 8 million dollars a year better than Mike Anderson you are crazy.
And In the case of Arizona, not only are you crazy but you are a loser and will continue to be a loser.
Hey! I like that kind of talk. You took out the loser Cards and with good reason too. Edge is gonna hit 30 soon and slow down and turn into Corey Dillon. Plus they drafted Paris Hilton's boyfriend Matt Leinhart but didnt really think OLmen were necessary to protect him. Only the Cards. Ya know I dont think theres a worse NFL franchise then the Arizona Cardinals. No wonder St. Louis sent them packing!
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Old 05-18-2006, 07:42 PM
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Re: There is a reason the Cardinals...

I think Edgerrin James is on the way down but he is still considerably one of the top rushers in the game.

Leinart should do fine if he gets rid of the ball quickly. Remember, the more time you stay in the pocket, the bigger chance you have of getting a bone popped out of its socket!
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Old 05-19-2006, 06:54 AM
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He wont learn anything by getting rid of the ball too fast though. Leinhart needs to see the field on every play and if the O-Line wont give him time to do that hell turn into David Carr. As for Edge hes a great rusher right now. One of the best, he was my pick in Rd. 1 in my fantasy football league but when Leinhart learns how to play the position Edge will be long gone.
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Old 05-19-2006, 08:29 AM
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Plus they drafted Paris Hilton's boyfriend Matt Leinhart but didnt really think OLmen were necessary to protect him.
Which is why we most likely won't see Leinhart play during the regular season at all this year. Let Warner take the hits and revamp the o-line via free agency and the draft next year. I think Dennis Green has a plan, and I think it's going to work. James is the wild card. As you say, he's getting older. Will he last until Leinart and the OL are ready?
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