[xdavidwattsx]

This is the part of the program where I always get annoyed when Super Bowl victories get equated to the greatness of individual players and vice versa.

Individuals win awards.
Teams win championships.

Both can be great/mediocre INDEPENDENTLY of each other.

A SB victory does not a great QB make.

[ThePundit]

X-David

You have a point. But 26-3? Big Ben could play QB for my team any day of the week.

[BigBadBuc]

I really don't think Ben is over rated at all. There are a lot of folks that have some doubts about Ben. It's too early to scrutinize Ben's career. He's too young and his career is too short. That is why I don't think that folks are over rating Ben at all. The whole football world isn't clamoring over Ben. He gets a lot of press because he's on a winning team.

You have to admire Ben for what he has accomplished. The Steelers did not play as well when he wasn't at the helm. The Steelers are a better team with Ben Rothlisberger. He's a fine young quarterback. I wouldn't give him super star status but he doesn't appear to be a journeyman quarterback either.

BBB

[xdavidwattsx]

Originally Posted by BigBadBuc

I wouldn't give him super star status but he doesn't appear to be a journeyman quarterback either.

BBB

Well, I should hope in 10 years you will all come back to acknowledge how right I was.

[Wizard of Os]

Cheers everyone, and thanks to JasonK005 and all who reveal the truth about the most overrated QB in the NFL: Daunte Culpepper.

In 2005, "Bye bye Randy Moss" meant simply "Bye bye Daunte's stats."

In five seasons with Minnesota, Moss caught 81 passes per year. If you take out 2004, his final turbulent year, his average number of receptions reaches a positively gaudy 94.

Over this stretch, Culpepper thrice topped 90 in QB rating, with his lowest at 75.3. Playing half the 2005 season, Daunte managed a whopping 72.

And check out 2003. In that season, Moss caught a ridiculous 111 passes. This represented 37.6% of all Culpepper's completions. The QB's rating that year? 96.4.

Culpepper's imagined greatness turned out to be hanging on one receiver. Moss goes and the man behind the curtain is revealed. I predict Daunte will be riding the bench if not at the very beginning of the year, definitely at the end.

O, and my list of top ten overrated QBs:

1. Daunte Culpepper
2. Daunte Culpepper
3. Daunte Culpepper
4. Daunte Culpepper
5. Daunte Culpepper
6. Daunte Culpepper
7. Daunte Culpepper
8. Daunte Culpepper
9. Daunte Culpepper
10. Chad Pennington

[xdavidwattsx]

Originally Posted by Wizard of Os

Culpepper's imagined greatness turned out to be hanging on one receiver. Moss goes and the man behind the curtain is revealed. I predict Daunte will be riding the bench if not at the very beginning of the year, definitely at the end.

I did find it mildy amusing that the Vikings and Culpepper insisted they'd be a much better team without Moss. Moss certainly didn't need Culpepper.

[Lefty Noob]

62.8 yards per game and 8 touchdowns? Not like Moss was lights out without Dante, either, David. Nowhere near as bad as Culpepper was, but still not up to where he was in Minnesota.

[xdavidwattsx]

Originally Posted by Lefty Noob

62.8 yards per game and 8 touchdowns? Not like Moss was lights out without Dante, either, David. Nowhere near as bad as Culpepper was, but still not up to where he was in Minnesota.

Yeah, but he was injured for half the season and didn't even play.

Also, the Raiders severely underutilized Moss..which I'm sure they realize after their abysmal season.

When he was healthy and getting balls he was lethal.

[Who Dey]

Gotta go with Brett Farve on this one Chief. I know it's an unpopular pick but man, this guy is treated like an imortal when it comes to throwing the football.
Whenever watching the Green Bay Packers playing on television, these are the five most likely "insightful" comments made by television analysts.
1. "thats just #4 trying to make plays."
Huh? So because he's Brett Farve he's allowed to throw the ball up for graps whenever his recievers are covered. I mean arent there more intelligent things to do that just trying to "make plays."
Now of course if by some strange chance the reciever does happen to come down with the football, then you will hear most uttered comment #2.
2. "That's why he's the best quarterback in the game."
Well, I guess.
#3 "man this guy is tough."
Okay, I can dig it. We all like a QB to have some grit in them, but is does butting heads with Warren Sap really contribute to being the "best" QB in the league.
#4 "I cant believe that he played the week of his fathers passing."
Allright, I'm an ass but I'm just trying to be real here. Look, all of our fathers will pass, hopefully before we do as God intended but I'm sure that when it happens to you are me we will still go to work. We will likely still go to work without extended praise from the national media. My only point being, please tell me how this makes him a great QB.
5. "Where would Green Bay be without Brett Farve?"
My best guess is in Wisconsin. As for the Packers we cant really tell because Brett Farve still plays for them. I can tell you one thing, I dont see how they could be any worse. New England and the Jets suffered an abnormally high amount of injuries last year as did several other teams. No one made excuses for them.
In fact, Brett Farve himself went on to blast his teamates in the media. Stating that it was impossible for him to compete because the guys on his team were too young and "just happy to be there." Some leader.

Look, Brett Farve throws the ball hard an accurate, no one aruges. However the QB position requires some other tools as well, such as common sense. It's obvious to me that he is a guy who did what he wanted in college, did whatever he wanted in Atlanta, and kept on doing whatever he wanted in Green Bay. It just so happens that it worked out for him for a few years in Green Bay.
He does not listen or respect anyone, and will continue to throw the football wherever he chooses. I dont know what his touchdown to interception ratio was last season, but I did see him throw one TD pass against cincinnati along with five INT's. Not quite the stuff of legends.
Philidelphia had just as many key losses and even more drama this season than Green Bay did. Hoever they still managed to win more games than Green Bay, and all the while many of the media speculated that Philly would be in the playoffs if Brett Farve were the QB.
I didnt attribute this to racism. Just the strange trance that #4 seems to have over everyone in the football world. Well, except me obviously.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by Who Dey

Gotta go with Brett Farve on this one Chief. I know it's an unpopular pick but man, this guy is treated like an imortal when it comes to throwing the football.
Whenever watching the Green Bay Packers playing on television, these are the five most likely "insightful" comments made by television analysts.
1. "thats just #4 trying to make plays."
Huh? So because he's Brett Farve he's allowed to throw the ball up for graps whenever his recievers are covered. I mean arent there more intelligent things to do that just trying to "make plays."
Now of course if by some strange chance the reciever does happen to come down with the football, then you will hear most uttered comment #2.
2. "That's why he's the best quarterback in the game."
Well, I guess.
#3 "man this guy is tough."
Okay, I can dig it. We all like a QB to have some grit in them, but is does butting heads with Warren Sap really contribute to being the "best" QB in the league.
#4 "I cant believe that he played the week of his fathers passing."
Allright, I'm an ass but I'm just trying to be real here. Look, all of our fathers will pass, hopefully before we do as God intended but I'm sure that when it happens to you are me we will still go to work. We will likely still go to work without extended praise from the national media. My only point being, please tell me how this makes him a great QB.
5. "Where would Green Bay be without Brett Farve?"
My best guess is in Wisconsin. As for the Packers we cant really tell because Brett Farve still plays for them. I can tell you one thing, I dont see how they could be any worse. New England and the Jets suffered an abnormally high amount of injuries last year as did several other teams. No one made excuses for them.
In fact, Brett Farve himself went on to blast his teamates in the media. Stating that it was impossible for him to compete because the guys on his team were too young and "just happy to be there." Some leader.

Look, Brett Farve throws the ball hard an accurate, no one aruges. However the QB position requires some other tools as well, such as common sense. It's obvious to me that he is a guy who did what he wanted in college, did whatever he wanted in Atlanta, and kept on doing whatever he wanted in Green Bay. It just so happens that it worked out for him for a few years in Green Bay.
He does not listen or respect anyone, and will continue to throw the football wherever he chooses. I dont know what his touchdown to interception ratio was last season, but I did see him throw one TD pass against cincinnati along with five INT's. Not quite the stuff of legends.
Philidelphia had just as many key losses and even more drama this season than Green Bay did. Hoever they still managed to win more games than Green Bay, and all the while many of the media speculated that Philly would be in the playoffs if Brett Farve were the QB.
I didnt attribute this to racism. Just the strange trance that #4 seems to have over everyone in the football world. Well, except me obviously.

Dude, are you watching the same NFL as everyone else?...Props on the bold move, but this goes along the same arguement as the people on this board picking A-Rod as the most over rated player...Farve of the last two or three years has not been the Farve of the 90's but a team still has a chance with him throwing the ball...I'd take him over the likes of Jake the Snake, Collins, Kurt Warner any day...even as he fades into the sunset.

[Who Dey]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Dude, are you watching the same NFL as everyone else?...Props on the bold move, but this goes along the same arguement as the people on this board picking A-Rod as the most over rated player...Farve of the last two or three years has not been the Farve of the 90's but a team still has a chance with him throwing the ball...I'd take him over the likes of Jake the Snake, Collins, Kurt Warner any day...even as he fades into the sunset.

No.. I would have to say as of right now, Brett Farve is probably on equal footing with those three QB's you mentioned. Except one major difference, Farve gets treated like a God in the media and the other three get treated like goats. As far as thier numbers, as well as performance goes, they are all very comperable.
Being treated like a God is a bit like, hmmm..... I don't know....... kinda' like being OVERRATED!

[ThePundit]

Who dey: Come back to us please. Sure, the media overhypes Favre, now that he is on the downside of his career - but in my opinion, he's in the top 10 QB's of ALL-TIME . To say he's on equal footing with the likes of Kerry Collins and Kurt Warner is way off base.

[Who Dey]

Where does this "down-side" of career come from? He is not that old... Has no serious injuries to speak of... I mean my goodness he can play a winning game right after his father dies, if he can do that what can't he do.
Look the only difference for Brett Farve now, and Brett Farve 5 years ago is the team surrounding him.
Please, anyone of you, Tell me why no one ever questions the guy who deliberitley throws into triple coverage, without regard of how it adversley affects his team. And then has the nerve to blame it on teammates?
What about Donovan McNabb? Is he on the Down-side of his career? He was in the Super Bowl last season, had devestating injuries to himself, (maybe not the type of injury that would rise to the level of your dad dying, but he looked to be in quite a bit of pain to me) as well as key teamates around him. What did McNabb get? Nothing but questions and then more questions.
Did Brett Farve ever get questioned? No, in fact he was told that if he were the QB of the Eagles, the Eagles would likely be going to the Super Bowl again.
Hmmmmmmm.... My team, the Cincinnati Bengals, are in desperate need of a QB. As are many teams around the league. I've yet to hear any of them beating down Green Bay's door to get first crack at that majic right arm of Mr. Farve.
But then again, maybe every personnel guy for every NFL franchise that is need of a QB are idiots. It is the "media man" that is the true genius.
Oh, yes please Brett, throw us some more picks, we know if you were on the Eagles you would be in the Super Bowl. Because if you had that different Green on, you would no longer throw interceptions and turn the ball over.

[ThePundit]

The problem with Favre is he has a crummy team around him and tries to do too much. On a team like the Bengals with their weapons and running game, he would be awesome.

I do agree with you on this point: Green Bay is on national TV all the time. And they suck - so the media keeps harping on Favre because there is nothing else to talk about. I hope the Packers are only on National TV once or twice this year. Give us more of teams like the Bengals, Chargers, Bucs,etc....

Without a dout the most overrated athlete of our time is Brett Favre. I've never seen a sports athlete be surrounded by more talent during his career and get credit for being a role player.