[Be Da Bear]

I was watching the NFL Network today when their fantasy guy comes on and breaks down the top 3 and the worst 3 QB's.

The best.

#1. P. Manning

#2 D. Brees

#3. C. Palmer

I agree that these three are the top three QB's going into this season. I don't agree on the order though. Brees has got to be the top QB going in, too many weapons on offense for him not to be #1 imo. I don't think you can go wrong with Manning or Palmer at #2 or #3, but I'd take Palmer over Manning.

The worst.

#1. R. Grossman

#2. S. McNair

#3. B. Leftwich

Now I agree that McNair and Leftwich should'nt be ranked in the top 10 or 13, but to have Grossman as the WORST fantasy QB? You have got too be kidding me! You have to look at who has weapons on offense and defense, and the Bears have both, and so does N.E. I know I might sound a bit like a homer, but imo Grossman has to be in the top 5 to 8 QB's when it comes to fantasy. You are not going to tell me that you would take T. Jackson (for Minn.) or C. Frye over Grossman.

[simple simon]

well i wouldnt put Grossman in the top 5, but i wouldnt put him in the bottom 5 either ....... that team didnt go to the SB in spite of him

how about Harrington or Culpepper or Brooks or even Brett Favre (at this moment in his career) or John Kitna or Alex Smith or David Carr or Charlie Frye or Andrew Walter

i might would put all of them below Grossman

[Be Da Bear]

Originally Posted by simple simon

well i wouldnt put Grossman in the top 5, but i wouldnt put him in the bottom 5 either ....... that team didnt go to the SB in spite of him

how about Harrington or Culpepper or Brooks or even Brett Favre (at this moment in his career) or John Kitna or Alex Smith or David Carr or Charlie Frye or Andrew Walter

i might would put all of them below Grossman

Well most of those QB's I would'nt take either, but I would take Kitna. I know people like to rag on him and the Lions, but the fact of the matter is he has one, maybe two pro bowl WR's to throw to in a Mike Martz offense.

Brees, Palmer, Manning, Brady, McNabb, Leinart, Young. Who would you take next? I'd take Grossman. McNabb is a bit of a question with not having a stand out WR, but after those first 4 it's really a crap shoot.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

I would throw Grossman in the bottom 5...the guy was inconsistent...he can just as easily get you negative fantasy numbers in certain leagues as he can get you points...He can sink a fantasy team on any given week.

Manning on the other hand is a fantasy god.

[vincesanity82]

mcnair or grossman or no way the worst qbs, i dont buy that at all..

[Be Da Bear]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

I would throw Grossman in the bottom 5...the guy was inconsistent...he can just as easily get you negative fantasy numbers in certain leagues as he can get you points...He can sink a fantasy team on any given week.

Manning on the other hand is a fantasy god.

The bottom 5? I gotta disagree. I can see you saying that IF Grossman started in all of of his years playing with the Bears and if he played in all of them like he did last year, but last year was his FIRST full season with the Bears as a starter He put up some good numbers with some bad as well. Yeah, he threw some Int's and had some fumbles, but I think those numbers will be down this year because I think Grossman is going to be a guy that learns from his mistakes, and it's a contract year for him.

It does depend on what the scoring system is in your league, things change year in and year out, no doubt you have to look how much is taken away in points for Int's and fumbles. Look, every year there is a guy everyone thinks is going to be great and he turns out to be a bust, and there a guy that everyone thinks is going to be a bust and turns out to be great. Grossman is going to be my bust that turns out to be great. He's my QB this year when I do draft,(unless I pick early in the first round. If I can get Brees I'd take him) and I know I can get him late. He has Plenty of weapons to go to, and I really think the kid has something to prove too everyone. He took a pretty good beating from the media and still is. Grossman is a guy that is going to get better, not worse, bank on that!

And even though I agree with you about Manning I also disagree. Harrison is older, he just lost his LT, and and some other players as well. Manning I thought slipped a little last year imo and I think he will slip a little more this year. But there is no doubt that he is in the top 3 to 10 overall playes to be taken.

Thanks for your thoughts GDK.

[EmpireWF]

Fantasy wise, I'd have to pick these QBs before Grossman:

Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers, and Palmer.

Then you get to the 2nd tier kind of guys, like Bulger, Hasselbeck, Eli, and Grossman.

You have to stay away from guys like Big Ben (big drop) and McNabb who needs to prove he can stay healthy.

This year you have to look out for guys like Vince Young, Alex Smith, Trent Green, Losman, Delhomme, Pennington. I'm big on VY and Smith this season personally.

But Grossman is far from the worst QBs but he's not in the top 10-15 IMO.

Grossman had a poor TD/INT ratio and wasn't a top 10 guy as far as yards. If he can be more consistant, then he'd raise his stock.

[Gotham Dark Knight]

Originally Posted by EmpireWF

Fantasy wise, I'd have to pick these QBs before Grossman:

Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rivers, and Palmer.

Then you get to the 2nd tier kind of guys, like Bulger, Hasselbeck, Eli, and Grossman.

You have to stay away from guys like Big Ben (big drop) and McNabb who needs to prove he can stay healthy.

This year you have to look out for guys like Vince Young, Alex Smith, Trent Green, Losman, Delhomme, Pennington. I'm big on VY and Smith this season personally.

But Grossman is far from the worst QBs but he's not in the top 10-15 IMO.

Grossman had a poor TD/INT ratio and wasn't a top 10 guy as far as yards. If he can be more consistant, then he'd raise his stock.

Come on, you are giving him too much credit...I take McNabb with a good back up over Grossman any day... I'd take Romo over him as well...Alex Smith is starting to get an O around him...fantasy wise, Pennington doesn't make a lot of mistakes...Green is going to have some decent targets in Miami....

Rex had 5 games with at least 3 picks each....and 7 games under 200 yards...I would take him no higher than a back up fantasy QB if I had too...

[Be Da Bear]

Watch out, NFL Network is reporting that Losman was put on the PUP list. Don't know why, but it's on their bottom ticker.

[TexIsHere24]

No Grossman is not near the top 10 in the quarterbacks he falls in the category with guys like Kitna, Culpepper.

Peyton, Brady, Carson, Hassleback, Bulger, McNabb(pending injuries), Brees, Rivers, Romo, Eli, Favre(who still can put up better fantasy numbers than Grossman).


Grossman doesnt have that great of targets. Mushin Muhammad is not that good. Berrian was overrated last year. Olsen the young tight end, and Cedric Benson who has never had to carry the total rushing load in the pros.

The only thing he has going for him are his Defense and Hester.

[Be Da Bear]

Originally Posted by TexIsHere24

No Grossman is not near the top 10 in the quarterbacks he falls in the category with guys like Kitna, Culpepper.

Peyton, Brady, Carson, Hassleback, Bulger, McNabb(pending injuries), Brees, Rivers, Romo, Eli, Favre(who still can put up better fantasy numbers than Grossman).


Grossman doesnt have that great of targets. Mushin Muhammad is not that good. Berrian was overrated last year. Olsen the young tight end, and Cedric Benson who has never had to carry the total rushing load in the pros.

The only thing he has going for him are his Defense and Hester.

All I can say is, I hope that you are going to be around to eat those words come the end of the season. You have got to be kidding me, you want to talk about QB bust. I'm looking at 3 bust and a possible bust in your top QB picks.

#1 Hassleback. You want to talk about not haveing any weapons, start right here in Seattle. Outside of S. Alexander this team has NOTHING!!!!! Oh, I'm fearing these WR's. Burleson, Branch, Engram, and Hackett. PLEASE!

#2 Eli. If you are going to call Grossman inconsistent, how can you not say the same for Eli? And yet you have him in your top? By the looks of it there is no RB to take the pressure off of Eli, and he has next to nothing to throw to. Burress and Shockey are alright, but outside of that there is not much there. Toomer (OLD) and Tyree might be about it. Now throw in the fact that the Giants have a lame duck coach, and I'm sure there are alot of players on that team that don't want to see Coughlin come back. If things don't start off good for the Giants it could turn out to be a LONG SEASON for Giant fans. Fantasy wise, I'd think you would be a FOOL to take a player from this Giant team.

#3 Rivers. Without looking it up (I had to) can you name 1 WR from the S.D Chargers? I couldn't. Outside of Gates and LT who are these guys? LT's about 80% of their offense and he's a RB. S.D is just like the Giants, in the fact that you have to hope that you are going to find that diamond in the ruff when it comes to their WR's. Rivers stats for last year are OK, but Rivers is a borderline player. He's not going to put up Manning type numbers that's for sure, but also that might change under Norv. Too risky to make Rivers a top QB imo. You are going to be real happy you got him, or you are going to be pisst that you took him.

#4 Favre. Come on now..................... You have got to be kidding me?

I'll give you that Benson is going to be a big question mark for the Bears, and that Moose has lost a step or two, but Berrian had a BREAKOUT season last year, and Clark had a good year as well. Now throw in Hester, Olsen, (Rookie Of the year) and Davis who showed flashes of what he can do in the slot. And add a defense that is going to get turnovers and put the ball in the offenses hands more than alot of other teams.

We'll see when it's all said and done, but I'll bet that Grossman will have a better season than Hasselbeck, Eli, Rivers, and no doubt Favre.

[alex83]

i cant believe no one has mentioned Vince Young? i mean not only do i like him as a general player but if you look at the fantasy league stats he put up last year they were great and this is not forgetting that it was his rookie season, Travis Henry took most of the offensive yards with his rushing and he missed the first 5 games of the season

[azrael492]

Originally Posted by Gotham Dark Knight

Come on, you are giving him too much credit...I take McNabb with a good back up over Grossman any day... I'd take Romo over him as well...Alex Smith is starting to get an O around him...fantasy wise, Pennington doesn't make a lot of mistakes...Green is going to have some decent targets in Miami....

Rex had 5 games with at least 3 picks each....and 7 games under 200 yards...I would take him no higher than a back up fantasy QB if I had too...

I have to agree with you on this. He had 2 games with a QB rating 1 or lower. He got off to a great start. I even picked him up as the starter in my league. I soon came to my senses after his second 4 INT day and took Rivers. He carried me to the title.

[azrael492]

#3 Rivers. Without looking it up (I had to) can you name 1 WR from the S.D Chargers? I couldn't. Outside of Gates and LT who are these guys? LT's about 80% of their offense and he's a RB. S.D is just like the Giants, in the fact that you have to hope that you are going to find that diamond in the ruff when it comes to their WR's. Rivers stats for last year are OK, but Rivers is a borderline player. He's not going to put up Manning type numbers that's for sure, but also that might change under Norv. Too risky to make Rivers a top QB imo. You are going to be real happy you got him, or you are going to be pisst that you took him.

What more do you need other than those 2. You seem to forget that if Rivers throws a dumpoff pass to LT and he takes it 75 yards for a TD that is still fantasy points for Rivers. If LT runs the ball to the 5 and Gates gets the TD catch, that is fantasy points for Rivers. That makes him a much better fantasy QB than Grossman by far. As far as naming WRs on a team, I don't think anybody knew about the Patriots receivers until Brady started getting them the ball.

[Be Da Bear]

Originally Posted by azrael492

What more do you need other than those 2. You seem to forget that if Rivers throws a dumpoff pass to LT and he takes it 75 yards for a TD that is still fantasy points for Rivers. If LT runs the ball to the 5 and Gates gets the TD catch, that is fantasy points for Rivers. That makes him a much better fantasy QB than Grossman by far. As far as naming WRs on a team, I don't think anybody knew about the Patriots receivers until Brady started getting them the ball.

You seem to forget that Grossman will have Hester to throw a dump off pass to as well. And if Benson get's down to the 5, Grossman will have Clark, Olsen, Berrian, and Moose (big targets) to catch a TD pass, and that's points for Grossman.

It's going to be a wait and see thing, but I'll stand by what I said. Grossman will have better numbers (If healthy all season) than Hasselbeck, E. Manning, Rivers, and Favre numbers this season.

And I'm willing to add that Kitna will have better numbers than those guy's as well.