[simple simon]

ok i have a problem with the college football polls ..... one that i dont think i have heard before ... just realized it myself the other day

this may seem a little confusing .. but i swear i know what im trying to say .. and i can try and explain it better if i need to

let's say USC is #1 .... LSU is #9 and Bama is #10 ..... in week one LSU beats USC and Bama beats some unranked team

now LSU is #1 .. USC is #9 and Bama is still #10

ok week 2 .... LSU beats an unranked team and stays #1 .... Bama beats USC .... Bama goes to #7 and USC drops to #15

so .... to recap .... LSU beats USC and goes to #1 ...... Bama beats USC and goes to #7 ......... they both beat the same USC team .... but didnt gain from it equally in the polls ....... this really sucks and is stupid

(please no one start some crap about how it figures this happens to Bama as they get no respect .... i picked the teams in this hypothetical situation randomly)

[Stoney]

The problem is a bunch of homers in the media. See Simple the Left coast won't watch college football like the Midwest and Southeast. So the TV ratings and college rankings have to be tampered with. The viewership goes down dramatically for most teams when they lose. USC for example lost to an unranked opponent that single loss knocked them from #1 to the cellar of the top 10. In truth it should have put them to the back of the bus because of the competition level and conference strength. But because of the "Potential" viewing audience ESPN and others have tried to pump life back into the Trojans. The same thing happens with Ohio State. This year unless things change the SEC Champion and the Big 12 Champion will settle this controversy on the gridiron. It is totally different if you are in the situation Auburn was in a couple of years ago being undefeated and still not get a piece of the deal. I agree the system needs overhauling... they ought to implement a playoff system. The money is stopping that.

[cbuscru77]

This is because the BCS uses mathmatical formulas that NASA couldn't crack! (Just kidding) Ok here it goes layman terms or at least how I would interpret it. let's take the teams names out of it. So you have the #9 beating #1. #10 beating unranked. Ok so now the next week former #9 is now number 1 because they beat the #1 team(at the time). The #10 team now beats #9 so why should they jump to #1? they only beat the 9th ranked team not the #1 team as the former #9 team did in the previous week. I know it's the same team but what matters is where they are week to week. And no I think a full fledged playoff system wouldn't work just yet in major college football. This would take away from major college football rivalaries. If you were heading into your rivalry game knowing you already are in the playoffs would you play your starters all game? Probably not. It would be like the last week or two in the NFL, which I think is a rip off to fans. They pay full ticket price they should see full rosters, but that's another argument. So you kill what makes college football so special and thats tradition. So I am in favor of the "plus 1" system. Where the BCS bowl winners play again to determine the true National Champion.

[Stoney]

Oh so the SEC plays 13 games including a championship goes to a bowl wins that and now has to play a 15th game? Where some divisions don't have a championship game like the Big 10, how is that fair?

[cbuscru77]

Originally Posted by Stoney

Oh so the SEC plays 13 games including a championship goes to a bowl wins that and now has to play a 15th game? Where some divisions don't have a championship game like the Big 10, how is that fair?

This I don't understand and maybe you could clarify. But teams like Alabama, Florida, LSU, and Arkansas have 13 game regular seasons and teams like Miss, Auburn, Tenn, UGA only show 12 on their schedule (according to yahoo). So why do some play 13 and some play 12? Arkansas, Alabama and LSU are all in the SEC - West, but don't play the same number of games? Am I reading these wrong??

But yes it doesn't seem fair that they play an extra 1-2 games. Maybe they should take some non conferences off their schedules till the PAC-10 and Big Ten start playing championship games. (But don't hold your breath!)

[desertrat]

Originally Posted by Stoney

Oh so the SEC plays 13 games including a championship goes to a bowl wins that and now has to play a 15th game? Where some divisions don't have a championship game like the Big 10, how is that fair?

The NCAA made a rule that does not allow any conference with fewer than 12 teams to stage a conference title game...which denies the other conferences the extra millions of revenue generated by such a game as well as the extra "quality win" that is so important in BCS rankings. "Fair" in this case is a simple matter of perspective.


P.S. Show me one team in the NCAA that plays 13 regular season games...you can't because there are none..the NCAA only allows 12.

[cbuscru77]

Originally Posted by desertrat

P.S. Show me one team in the NCAA that plays 13 regular season games...you can't because there are none..the NCAA only allows 12.

Cincinnati Bearcats (Big East) 1. Eastern Kentucky 2. Oklahoma 3. Miami (OH) 4. Akron 5. Marshall 6. Rutgers 7. Connecticut 8. S. Florida 9. West Virginia 10. Louisville 11. Pitt 12. Syracuse 13. Hawaii

Also I made a mistake in my previous post when I listed teams like Arkansas and LSU playing 13 games that was because I mistakenly double counted the PPD games of theirs from earlier in the year.

[Stoney]

Touche.. nicely done.

[desertrat]

Originally Posted by cbuscru77

Cincinnati Bearcats (Big East) 1. Eastern Kentucky 2. Oklahoma 3. Miami (OH) 4. Akron 5. Marshall 6. Rutgers 7. Connecticut 8. S. Florida 9. West Virginia 10. Louisville 11. Pitt 12. Syracuse 13. Hawaii

Also I made a mistake in my previous post when I listed teams like Arkansas and LSU playing 13 games that was because I mistakenly double counted the PPD games of theirs from earlier in the year.

The NCAA made an exception for the Hawaii game, for some reason teams can schedule a game in Hawaii or Alaska and it doesn't count towards the 12 game limit. Apparently the reason is that Hawaii has such a difficult time getting teams to travel to play them at home.

Good find though, I had to research the answer for this...NCAA rulebook is tedious but it's in there.