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12-17-2007, 10:51 PM
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| Sorry we cannot discuss this Empire, as my posts are not being posted. Quote:
Note please that The SEC has the highest bowl winning percentage ? Note that Mountain West has less bowl games than you say and Conference USA more bowl games than you say - and, neither are relevant.      |
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12-17-2007, 11:00 PM
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| that The SEC has the Most Bowl Games is very relevant. It is a very fair comparison to state that The SEC has played in the Most Bowl Games. That is after all, how a Conference is judged. That The SEC continues to Win the Most Bowl Games is also extremely relevant and important. That The SEC leads all conferences in Winning Percentage of Bowl Games we played in as well, is further relevance and importance. One cannot state Empire that because The SEC has the Most Bowl Games, Most Bowl Wins and Highest Bowl Percentage that therefore some other method must used to determine what is the Best Bowl Conference again this season. The SEC also plays in the Biggest Bowl Games, the most important ones, the ones played the latest in the bowl season denoting the most relevant bowl games with the highest payout, largest attendance, largest audience and thus The SEC gathers in $100 million dollars to share among the 12 Best College Coaches in any conference in America and our other sports teams such as Women's Basketball etc. This is what it is all about. Envy of The SEC is one thing. Saying because The SEC is clearly the Best at Bowl Wins, is a reason to come up with some other method to judge such a statement, is just unfair. I'm sorry you didn't get to see my other post Empire as well. |
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12-17-2007, 11:02 PM
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12-17-2007, 11:07 PM
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| Re: that The SEC has the Most Bowl Games is very relevant. Envy of the SEC...here we go again. lol SEC has the most Bowl wins. Undisputable. But they have had the most opportunities. I'm just saying, the SEC has played in 134 more bowl games than the Pac 10, while they currently have 76 more wins in bowl games. It would take a period of Pac 10 dominance in bowl season to reach the point where the SEC is right now, historically. I'm confident that in 07-08, the SEC won't have the best bowl record. |
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12-17-2007, 11:10 PM
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| What I tried to say in the post that was sent to Moderator rather than posting Empire Conference USA has zero (0) ranked teams in the Final BCS Top 25. The Mountain West has one (1) ranked team in the Final BCS Top 25. What percentage of weenie bowls they win will not alter the fact that The SEC will do the Best in The Bowl Games again this year as we always do. I will be happy to have South Carolina play the 1 ranked Mountain West "Conference" team. That would be The SEC's 10th best team against the Mountain West's top-ranked team; just as Conference USA plays their top-ranked best team against The SEC's 9th best team in their last bowl game and our 1st the Liberty Bowl which has a payout of 1.7 million dollars. Conference USA 6 Bowl Games, not the 5 you list. Mountain West 5 Bowl Games, not the 6 you list. Conference USA plays 6 Bowl Games, not 5 you list. Comparing what their percentage of wins is when their best team UCF plays our Worst Team in their last bowl game which is our 1st bowl game, is also a worthless comparison. Tulsa SOS 84 playing Bowling Green SOS No. 115 in Mobile is out of bowl sequence by date, and doesn't count. You cannot compare that conference's record against The SEC's Bowl Record Won/Loss this year with Conference USA playing their best team against our Worst Team in their Latest Bowl Game which is The SEC's earliest bowl game. The Mountain West's 5th best team is TCU a 7-5 squad whose NCAA Schedule is ranked No. 100 and beat as their best win No. 56 New Mexico who played the NCAA SOS No. 102 will not make The Mountain West the Best Football Conference in Bowl Games when the Mountain West will have played all their bowl games by December 28th except for Air Force who played NCAA SOS No. 81 who plays their game December 31st. Comparing the won/loss bowl record of such a conference with what The SEC does in Bowl Games when we will have played zero of our bowl games before the Mountain West is Finished with their bowl games except Air Force, is why there are BCS Conferences and non-BCS Conferences. When there are $100 million dollars The SEC shares the Revenue of to $2 million for the Mountain West in its entirety, the fact that the Mountain West is 14-12 all-time in Bowl Games for .538 is meaningless. South Carolina is 6-6 under Steve Spurrier this season, are ranked BCS No. 48 in the BCS Final Rankings compared to the Mountain West's 5th best team of No. 63 TCU 7-5 versus TCU SOS No. 100 while South Carolina's SOS is No. 8 in the nation. And, posters to this thread think we should include the Mountain West in a contest of who did better in the bowl games when South Carolina who beat No. 5 UGA for example has to sit at home as the SEC's 10th best team this season so that TCU SOS 100 BCS Rank 63 won 1 more game can play. And plays in a bowl game before any SEC team plays in the better bowl games all played later obviously. The Best Bowl Conference is the Conference which Wins the Most Bowl Games, and trying to include 9 Conferences in such a comparison is an example of the Conference Envy the rest of the nation has for The SEC. |
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12-17-2007, 11:30 PM
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 Sure it is Empire because The SEC has the HIGHEST BOWL WINNING PERCENTAGE TOO. Quote:
The Prestige is to Play in a Great Bowl Game, to gather in enough cash there from to run your Athletic Department, and this contest in this thread is to see who Wins the Most of These Bowl Games to have 7 SEC Teams Ranked in the Final Top 25 Polls. |
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12-18-2007, 12:25 AM
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| Re: that The SEC has the Most Bowl Games is very relevant. Quote:
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The whole entire Objective of any team in any conference is to try to get to a Great Bowl Game (These are referred to as Top Tier Bowls and I would only be too happy to discuss what bowls are in what Tier, if need be.) and to Win The Great Bowl Game. It is not, therefore, a bad deal for The SEC to have in fact the Most Teams in The Great Bowl Games again this season, as we always do. And, it is not therefore an unfair comparison with all the other conferences that The SEC is indisputably the Highest Bowl Winning Percentage with the greatest following, most ranked teams in the various polls, and gathers from them to most monies in our coffers to dole out among our 12 teams which also have the best 12 coaches average salary two million a year. I'm sorry that you cannot admit that there is jealousy and resentment of these Bowl Accomplishments of The SEC. LOL ? There is no Envy on your part of The SEC Empire sir ? You are confident that The SEC will NOT have the best bowl record. At this point right now we do, by all measures of it, and of this season of The SEC compared to all other conferences as well. We have the Most BCS National Championship Bowl Game Wins to show for it as a direct result. And, The Entire SEC will Win More of the Great Bowl Games and therefore have the Most Ranked Teams in the Top 25 Polls after the Bowl Games are played once again this season. Would not the strength of schedule, attendance and following, measures of wins against ranked teams, how well they recruit including APR, how well thought of the head coaches are, how many All-American players, how many are in the NFL who were recruited by that conference, number of ranked teams, number of national championships won by that conference, how many teams who get into a great bowl game and what percentage of them that a conference wins be some of the measures of what makes a conference better than another. What is if not these measures. I'm trying to understand where you are coming from Empire. You say The SEC is the best, and then you say that The SEC will not be by some measure leaving out the relevant facts because they are too overwhelmingly in favor of The SEC. And, then you state Empire that there is no Envy you for example are demonstrating here of The SEC. I am trying to say that I think there is. Perhaps we should figure out how a Conference is Determined to Be The Best Conference; maybe that discussion would help clarify why I am confused by this statement of yours Empire. Is there some other conference Empire which you would like to stack up to The SEC season to-date today sir including Bowl Games ? |
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12-18-2007, 01:02 AM
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| The PAC-10 has two (2) Ranked Teams in the Coaches' Poll and in the BCS Top 25, SEC 6 Quote:
The SEC has 6. You say that The SEC has played in 331 bowl games while the PAC-10 has played in 201. The SEC has Won 76 more and tied 4 more than the PAC-10. This gives The SEC a Bowl Winning Percentage of just these additional 130 games of .600 Overall, The SEC has a Bowl Winning Percentage of .548 to .525 for the PAC-10. Now, how a Conference who has 2 Ranked Teams and therefore 6 bowl teams to the SEC's 6 ranked teams and 9 bowl teams is better or will do better when the bowl season is over than The SEC is beyond me. Frankly, it should be 10 SEC Bowl Teams since South Carolina at 6-6 is a lot better than Stanford, Washington, Washington State and Arizona for example and South Carolina is our 10th worst team this season. But, give credit to the PAC-10 : I do. They are favored in 3 of their bowl games to win 3 therefore. Only 1 of those in a January game while Southern California played the Official NCAA Strength of Schedule Number 80. That's awesome. That the PAC-10 has their lone favored bowl win not played in December with a team who played the number 80 SOS. No one goes to the PAC-10 Games. Illinois played The Top 10 NCAA Strength of Schedule, not the Number 80 and I bet you that Southern California does not come close to covering the 13.5 points a team who played the number 80 SOS is favored to win by over a team who played the Top 10 SOS instead. Illinois beat twice the number of BCS Final Top 25 teams as a result as did Southern California. But, I give the PAC-10 a lot of credit for getting that team with that soft schedule in the PAC-10's only bowl game not in December who the PAC-10 is favored to win. 13.5 points is the opening spread from Las Vegas on the game favoring Southern California. Oh, yeah. The PAC-10 is a lot better than The SEC. Next. |
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| the Big East 34-30-0 for .531 The SEC 177-145-9 for .548 Quote:
The Top-Ranked Team (who lost their coach) in the Big East is not ranked in the Top 8 of the Final BCS Top 25. This means that in a Playoff of the Top 8 Ranked BCS Teams, the Big East would not even be in any of the Playoffs being discussed on this forum of the Top 8 in a mythical BCS Playoff Format. The SEC has both No. 2 LSU and No. 5 UGA. Neither of whom lost their coach, by the way. The Big East is favored to win a bowl game December 22nd in Birmingham Alabama called Papajohns, and it pays $750,000 not per team, but shared. The opponent of the Big East is a 7-5 opponent who played the number 96 Strength of Schedule and has as their best win all season long the Number 70 team in America the Big East's opponent in that "bowl game" beat. For that, the Big East's Opponent in the bowl game fired its coach and replaced him with Larry Fedora. How exciting. The Big East is favored to win 3 bowl games in total according to the Opening Lines of Las Vegas : Birmingham Alabama, El Paso Texas and Toronto. Oh, yeah. The Big East is so much better than The SEC that there isn't even any reason to play the bowl games to know where the teams end up. I concede the Big East is superior to The SEC. God knows that. The Big East has what ? 16 teams in Men's Basketball ? But, only 8 in Football. Yes, you will be able to come back in here after Bowl Season and tell me that the Big East is better at Bowl Games than The SEC. That should be fun putting forth the proposition that the Big East did better than The SEC this season. I can't wait to hear that discussion. |
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12-19-2007, 01:37 AM
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| Picking the bowl games & how did best as Conference after bowl games are played. We now have two (2) topics for this thread, thank you. (1) Who, after the bowls are played, did the best this season as a Conference ? (2) Picking the bowl games. (1) Bowls are weighted with the earlier weenie bowls getting one-thirty second of the value of the BCS National Championship Game. You do it by date starting with 20 December 2007 between BCS Ranked 34 Utah who played NCAA Official SOS No. 77 and whose best win is over BCS Ranked No. 47 picked to win by 9 on the opening lines by Las Vegas over BCS No. 38 Navy who played NCAA Strength of Schdule No. 116 and whose best win is over BCS Ranked Number 31 Air Force. I take Navy and the 9 points. There is NO WAY that if Independent Navy wins that (or Mountain West Utah does) that that is as valuable in determing who did better in the bowl games than SEC LSU vs. Big 10 Ohio State in the NC Game. (2) Picking the bowl games is done against the spread. Utah, in this example is picked by 9 on the opening Las Vegas odds. If you think Utah can beat the line of 9, you pick Utah. If not, you choose Navy - like me. There are 32 bowl games, and of the 32 the Toronto and Mobile bowls are out of sequence in bowl games and are moved back to December 31 at 8 a.m. to determine the weighted value of winning or not winning that game. The SEC will Win More Bowl Games this year on the weighted value of the Bowls than any other conference. What the Mountain West Won/Loss Record is is given weight by the bowl game they won. Don't begin to come in here and try to tell me the winner of the Poinsetta Bowl is worth the same as the winner of the BCS NC New Orleans Bowl Game 7 January 2008. If you tell me where you want me in this forum to put my bowl picks based upon the Las Vegas Opening Lines I will do so. Thanks for the shout. |
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12-19-2007, 04:51 AM
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| Re: Picking the bowl games & how did best as Conference after bowl games are played. Thomas, I definitely respect your opinions and your well thought-out posts, but is it fair to punish Navy (or any other school, for that matter) for seizing the opportunity which they were given? I certainly don't believe so. Now, we've already decided to set a minimum participation requirement so there won't be any easy 1.000 winning percentages. Beyond that, anything's fair game. The challenge for every conference is the same - beat the opponent set before you - and we're not going to "weight" any of the games for value. The best conference will get wins out of it's top team as well as it's weakest bowl teams equally. Though I see now that, if the SEC fails to have the highest winning percentage, fans of the conference already have their excuse du jour picked out: "The SEC will Win More Bowl Games this year on the weighted value of the Bowls than any other conference. What the Mountain West Won/Loss Record is is given weight by the bowl game they won." It doesn't work that way. Best winning percentage is the only thing that matters. Win the ones you play, period.
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12-19-2007, 11:41 AM
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| Re: SEC Will NOT have Best Bowl Record I understand your point, you don't think certain bowls should 'count' as much as others. But that's not this contest is about. It's strictly about which conference wins the most bowl games and that win percentage. It's not which difficult bowl games are won. It's all arguable to any individual that way. |
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