[simple simon]

Do you have one of those questions that you just can't seem to find the answer to ?? This is the thread to ask it. Do you have a nagging question about College Football in general like "could someone explain Red-Shirting to me".



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[alex83]

i actually would like to ask that question, i hear it thrown around a lot but could someone enlighten me as to what "Red Shirted" means?

[bears9]

Originally Posted by alex83

i actually would like to ask that question, i hear it thrown around a lot but could someone enlighten me as to what "Red Shirted" means?

red-shirting is when u make player inellagable for 1 year so if u read-shirt a freshman he'll be considered freshman next and will have a year of experence under his belt

[Tuck4Bama]

Originally Posted by bears9

red-shirting is when u make player inellagable for 1 year so if u read-shirt a freshman he'll be considered freshman next and will have a year of experence under his belt

Freshmen can be red-shirted for a year to gain experience for a year but there is also a medical red-shirt so a player can sit out a year for injury rehab so they don't lose a year of eligibility.

[alex83]

so does that mean they they can play for an additional 4 years after they have been red shirted e.g. if they dont register for the draft they can play 5 years of college football?

[Tuck4Bama]

Originally Posted by alex83

so does that mean they they can play for an additional 4 years after they have been red shirted e.g. if they dont register for the draft they can play 5 years of college football?

No the player would still have four years of eligiblity. when you hear of a five year senior they have had a red shirt year. The usual is red shirting a incoming freshman to give him a year to learn the system and to work with trainers and strenth / conditioning coaches. Then the first year he plays he woul be a sophmore in his classes but would be called a red shirt freshman then red shirt sophmore red shirt Junior red shirt senior which would make him a fifth year senior and has probably graduated already from his classes.

[simple simon]

well here is a follow up Red Shirting question

when do you have to label a player for a medical red shirt ?

before the actual 1st game of the season ? ....... what's the grace period ?

[Tuck4Bama]

Originally Posted by simple simon

well here is a follow up Red Shirting question

when do you have to label a player for a medical red shirt ?

before the actual 1st game of the season ? ....... what's the grace period ?

If you are familiar with tyrone Protro's situation It will help.

In his case he lost his eligibility for the season in which he was injured as would happen with any player. If the player still needs rehab the follwing year he can be medically red shirted before the season. I am not sure but I think if a player suffers a season ending injury in the first two games they can apeal too the NCAA for a medical red shirt for that season.


There are multiple reasons a student-athlete may redshirt. A student-athlete may redshirt to gain a year of practice with the team prior to participating in competition. In football, a student-athlete may redshirt to add size prior to participating since football tends to favor larger players. Since the college years coincide with the typical completion of physical maturity, using a year of eligibility in the fifth college year is generally more beneficial to the team and to the student-athlete's potential professional prospects than it is to use the same year of eligibility in the first college year. Players, especially in football, may redshirt to learn the team's play book since college teams run more complex and more plays generally than most high school teams. Commonly, an athlete will redshirt the first year of college, if the athlete is redshirting at all.
An athlete may be asked to redshirt if he or she would have no opportunity to play as an academic freshman. This is a common occurrence in many sports where there is already an established starter or too much depth at the position in which the freshman in question is planning to play.
There is also a medical redshirt that may be obtained to replace a season lost to injury. A medical redshirt can be granted by the governing body for a season lost completely or almost completely to injury. A medical redshirt can allow a player to gain additional eligibility beyond the standard four academic calendar years.
The term redshirt freshman indicates an academic sophomore (second-year student) who is in the first season of athletic eligibility. A redshirt freshman is distinguished from a true freshman (first-year student) as one who has practiced with the team for the prior season. The term redshirt sophomore is also commonly used to indicate an academic junior (third-year student) who is in the second season of athletic eligibility. After the sophomore year the term redshirt is rarely used, instead the terms fourth year junior and fifth year senior are more common.

[simple simon]

thanks Tuck

here's another question

i know for the most part if a player transfers schools they have to sit out the next year ..... does that also cost them a year of eligibility or can they red shirt that year or something ?

also is there any exception to the rule of sitting out if you transfer ....... i seem to recall some players had to transfer after Hurricane Katrina and the NCAA still made them sit out ........ that was a load of crap

[Tuck4Bama]

College football coaches oppose rule easing transfers Posted 6/4/2006 11:43 PM ET


swapContent('firstHeader','applyHeader');By Jack Carey, USA TODAY
An NCAA rules change that apparently was off many schools' radar screens for a few weeks could alter college sports rosters.
The NCAA Board of Directors in April approved legislation that allows athletes with eligibility remaining to transfer without having to sit out a year at their new school, provided they already have earned a bachelor's degree.
In most NCAA sports, players already are allowed to transfer without sitting out. But in football, basketball and hockey, transfers sit a year at their new school. The new legislation ends that waiting period for graduate students.
Grant Teaff, executive director of the American Football Coaches Association, says the rule, while good for athletes, is not good for football. Teaff says he was not aware of the change until about a week ago, but most coaches he's talked to want it rescinded, fearing it could lead to a version of graduate-student free agency. Teaff says he needs 100 override votes from college presidents by June 27.
"We think you'd have an average of as many as three players a year at each (Division I-A) school who could be candidates (to graduate and then transfer)," he says. "Now, most youngsters are not going to run off and jump at another school, but this could create the opportunities for the kind of (illicit) recruitment that we've gotten away from."
The highest-profile player to take advantage is Richard Kovalcheck, a former starting quarterback at Arizona who is transferring to Vanderbilt, where he will be eligible to play this fall.
Kovalcheck graduated in three years from Arizona and will start coursework this summer toward a postgraduate degree in management at Vanderbilt. He will have two years of eligibility left, and that's the key reason the Commodores were interested in him, coach Bobby Johnson says.
"I don't think it will happen that many times because you've still got to graduate, and I don't think there will be that many (graduates) with one year still left," says Johnson, who points out that a transferring player still has to be granted a release by his old school. "Plus, you'd be using up a scholarship for a one-year guy."

[Tuck4Bama]

Originally Posted by simple simon

thanks Tuck

here's another question

i know for the most part if a player transfers schools they have to sit out the next year ..... does that also cost them a year of eligibility or can they red shirt that year or something ?

also is there any exception to the rule of sitting out if you transfer ....... i seem to recall some players had to transfer after Hurricane Katrina and the NCAA still made them sit out ........ that was a load of crap

Sorry I didn't adress the eligibility for non graduate transfers. The year that they have to sit out is basicaly the same as a red shirt year. They do not lose a year of eligibility.

[alex83]

ok new question, what is a 'walk on' i hear this a lot when watching college football, they either say "he was a walk on at *insert college name here*" or "he is a walk on senior", or something like that but i dont know what it means

[Tuck4Bama]

A walk on player is a player who joins the team without the benifit of having a scholorship.

[Tuck4Bama]

Walk-ons have a particularly developed history in college football. Often these athletes are relegated to the scout team, and may not even be played on the official depth chart or travelling team. However there are occasions, sometimes well publicized, where a walk-on will become a noted member of their team in one of several ways.

Due to scholarship limits instituted by the NCAA, many football teams do not offer scholarships to their punters, Longsnappers and kickers until they've become established producers.

Sometimes injury and/or outside issues can ravage the depth chart of a particular position, resulting in the elevation of a walk-on to a featured player.
In other situations, a walk-on may impress the coaching staff with their play on the scout team and in practice that they are rewarded with a scholarship and made a part of the regular depth chart. Often it is the players who achieve success in this manner that are the inspiration for future walk-ons.

Finally, there are times where a walk-on will be a dependable member of the team's practice and scout teams for several years, and if a team has an extra scholarship it may reward the player as a token of their hard work and devotion to the team, although the player may never actually play in an actual game.
The reasons athletes choose to pursue the path of a walk-on are numerous. Here are several more common reasons:

The athlete is already receiving praise, however the school they are particularly interested in does not share the level of interest. This target team could either be considered more athletically prestigious, it may already be saturated at that position or the athlete chooses that school for purely academic reasons over others. The walk-on will join the team to try and win the coaches over.

The athlete may be a scion of a notable former-player, alumnus or coach of the school. Often these players do not strive to be placed in a starting position, rather carry on the tradition of being a part of a particular team.

In the case of punters and kickers, there may not be a scholarship available, but the coaches may have encouraged or invited them to join the team without offering an athletic scholarship.

An athlete may have just been homeschooled during high school and was unable to play on a team, and therefore, not receive any attention from scouts.
Athletes also walk-on after playing at small high schools, which also limits the attention paid by college scouts.

In some instances, a college coach/recruiter may designate an athlete as a "preferred walk-on" during the scouting process. In this situation, the athlete is assured a spot on the team, however the coach is unable or unwilling to offer a scholarship.

SOURCE: Walk-on - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Tuck4Bama]

Expert: Thom Brooks
Date: 2/20/2007
Subject: Grey Shirt -105

Question
What does a college mean if they Grey Shirt a player or 105 a player

Answer
Ron, hey!

I wasn't sure, but this is what I found!

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Hawkins' Class is Full? So What, He Adds More Players
Posted Feb 6th 2007 8:15PM by RJ Schaer
Filed under: Colorado Football

It's called gray-shirting and if a player's not going to get on the field their freshman year anyway, it's a great way to give them more time to mature before teeing it up in Division One football. Hawkins has several gray-shirts coming in this year, they'll enroll in January instead of at the beginning of the year, and their scholarship will count against next year's class. The theory is that some of the players who sign on February 7th won't cut it academically or may not be here by next January when the gray-shirt player shows up. By then, the scholarship will be opened up to a new player, and the gray-shirt player can take that spot.

It's so prevalent that Hawkins was out recruiting last week, even though he reportedly already had 28 verbal commits. He offered Chaz Servino from New Jersey but Servino chose to go to Syracuse instead just yesterday. Hawkins will also welcomed grayshirt Jonathan Hawkins to the team last month. A cornerback, Hawkins was offered a grayshirt spot last year, accepted, and is now on campus and will be ready for the spring. Hawkins is the son of former ABA star Joe Caldwell.


Hope it helps!